Elites, Right Wing ones especially, want unemployment

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I was mainly talking about all large-M Marxists, while left-bertarians are small-m marxists, I don't really see them as large M-Marxists. Council Communists are a bit tricker, and maybe it'd be wrong to include them under the banner of "economic Coordinationists".

I love your intellectual sophistication displayed here ("MY MOMMY AND DADDY WERE HARD WORKING PEOPLE, YOU'RE JUST AN ENVIOUS LAZY BUM!! !!"), but the New Right isn't regarded as an intellectual Ghetto for nothing. It's especially irrelevant that you give these sentimental, irrelevant arguments seeing as to how I was talking about large business owners, financial industrialists and the hereditary rich. But please, continue to tar this guy:

Chronic long term unemployment will

1. Wreck our consumer based economy
and
2. Make the people suffering under this condition a lot more prone to vote for radical changes to the law and the economic makeup of the nation.

So the very rich, if they have any intelligence at all, will not promote conditions that lead to chronic unemployment. Consider the case of Prussia under Bismark. It was not a democratic or egalitarian country but Bismark promoted policies that guaranteed steady employment and security to the working class of Prussia precisely to deter any tendency to left wing radicalism. Why wouldn't the same thing hold true in the United States?

ruveyn

Seriously Master_Pedant can the victim mentality, it isn't a strawman argument.


Right now I'm thinking the US has more to worry about from left wing radicals whom as ruveyn has pointed out want chaos to bring about their form of radical changes (i.e. United Socialist States of America) where we no longer have any rights. You, auntblabby, and xenon13 have proven Glenn Beck isn't crazy and has accurately portrayed the radical left congratulations.

So you're mocking the U.S. Founding Fathers then who spoke of preventing the emergence of aristocracy.

They think that their propaganda, their tasers and microwave and sonic weapons can keep people at bay. They're really that arrogant.

Glenn Beck claims that there are people, who it's claimed are like me, in the centres of power. There are not.

I'm right wing and I'm arrogant, but I certainly don't want unemployment - neither for me nor for anyone else. I would prefer Asimov's solution to unemployment, as per his book Caves Of Steel, which was emigration from Earth and colonization of other, at least remotely within this solar system, habitable worlds. "Habitable", of course, cannot mean - at least not for now - habitable like the Earth is habitable. Rather, colonization of planets like Mars and in space stations and on the Moon would need to come first before spaceships capable of interstellar flight, at least having enough bulk to house fuel and food as a generation ship, could be produced.

But back to the subject: unemployment is a horrible situation, this world needs less of it. In socialist countries of the 20th century, people were placed in jobs. However, with socialism, people could not own property nor select which food rations given to them. It was overly micromanaged. I would prefer that there be a government agency which acts to place people in jobs. Remove the at-will employment clause which employers abuse to pacify their workers, or at least modify it to make it more difficult to abuse. Hiring of applicants who are in financial need and otherwise are capable of performing the physical tasks ought to be a priority, since providing income for those in need would reduce their need and the need to pay them welfare, which also, theoretically, would enable taxes to be cut without people in need losing aid.

I'm not mocking the founding fathers, I'm trying to get through to you that your statements are about as ridiculous as claiming lizard people are trying to take over. I think you need to calm down and look at the situation logically and not giving into hysterics.

good for you to be fortunate with your selection of good parental genes. but not all of us are lucky like you, so stop cramming horatio alger down my throat.

you willfully ignored my point that the WORKING POOR [NOT homeless street people] are the ones left holding the bag with our current morally bankrupt healthcare financing system. there is NO safety net for the workers in this country, your red herrings notwithstanding.

No one put a gun to your head and forced you to read my posts, so how am I cramming it down your throat? I grew up and saw my parents struggling, so I am far from lucky. I've moved millions of times, and the reason my parents had to move last time was because they were losing money.

You're assuming it was all smooth sailing for them. It still isn't, and they still face the threat of their business failing. Guaranteed opportunity does not lead to guaranteed outcome.

You were talking about the Canadian health care system being blamed and the working poor given little chocies from America's social darwinist health care system. Under the assumptions that America's health care system is oppressive, I debunked one of the myths that the poor are left to die if they can't afford the hospital bills.

Hold on, which country are you referring to?

If you were implying that the working poor were the ones taking the blame, then say it loud and clearly cuz I'm not gonna snoop around reading between the lines and guess at what you mean. I'd rather have the assumptions behind your statements spelled out by you than by my guesses.

@iamnotaparakeet: Yeah sounds like a much better alternative than welfare.

Uh ... YES IT IS!! !

Furthermore, for a person who cries whenever firms do minor things you don't like (i.e. not allowing theistic buttons on workers) as "persecution" you sure are one to lecture about "victim mentality". It's really the rabid right which has a victim mentality, whether through their views that Working poor minorities are "taking over" or that aversion to the American Taliban's bigotry represents some kind of state sponsed anti-religion.




Because I suggest that income inequality is a severe problem, you think I "prove" the chalkboard conspiracists inane belief? You really should take a course in informal logic, then.

My statements are ridiculous? You forget the original post which quotes the Globe and Mail Report on Business that mentions that the NAIRU unemployment target might be set higher than the actual unemployment rate requiring the policymakers to induce some job losses in order to hit the NAIRU target. Now, my so-called crazy statements were based on this article in the respected Globe and Mail Report on Business. So I suppose that they are crazy too for reporting this.

Maybe respected by radical leftists, but they sound to the left of the New York Times and that is saying something. Are you referring to the Boston Globe, cause they aren't really that respected, far from it.

@ Master_Pedant

So I suppose people getting fired because they are Christian isn't persecution... Seriously, if I can think of several incidents off the top of my head involving atheists participating in religious persecution within the last 5 years here in the states.



So explain to me how voter intimidation not being prosecuted because the victims were white is not a cause for concern...

I guess it doesn't count in your mind when the victims are conservative and/or white.



It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how you are proving people like Glenn Beck right. You are suggesting we forcibly take away people's property, money, etc. that they worked hard to get, and give it to people that don't work at all. Income redistribution like that is really a polite way of saying you're stealing from someone.

You call people like Sean Hannity evil and greedy rich people that don't deserve the money they make.

Did you know Sean Hannity actually started from a rather humble background, and has pulled himself up to where he is today? He is pretty much a self-made man, he didn't steal from anyone. I quite frankly don't care that you don't like what he says and while liberals like yourself would like to do away with the 1st Amendment, it's not going to happen without another civil war in this country and I don't think the military will side with the liberals and violate their oath to perserve and protect this country and the Constitution.

The Globe and Mail is a Toronto newspaper, was for a long time the self-proclaimed Canada's National Newspaper with heavy business emphasis. It is the paper of "serious people".