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15 Dec 2010, 1:29 pm

Oooo - what does that remind me of?

Be that as it may, there are a lot of drawbacks. Limiting myself to my own experience, there is having to hold back from rising up to smite evildoers, there is becoming despicable in my own eyes, there is being ostracized by colleagues and family, there is the great research fast, there is having to count and treat as equal people I would be tempted to euthanize, there is surrender of control, there is the perspective-based fading of the delights of this universe, there is admitting I am not perfect. Just for starters.

Hey, if it were easy everybody would be Christian.



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15 Dec 2010, 8:30 pm

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If I were inclined to express gratitude to the Deity of My Choice, I would thank It for the fact I am not a Christian.

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Maybe the original poster could go to a Synagogue then?, do they accept people on the spectrum?, do they accept the profane goy?
I must say I never get the local rabbi coming around to tell me Iam welcome to share in the benefits of being one of the master race.
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15 Dec 2010, 9:18 pm

With respect to the Original Poster - all the denomination will affect is the worship and preaching style.

For attitude - it all depends on the mix of who is in the congregation.



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15 Dec 2010, 9:28 pm

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Not to start an argument, but there is actually virtually no evidence for evolution at all. Thats why the media gets excited when a weird bone is found, and then it turns out to be from a goat or something.

Evolution is basically a religion, but it's pushed heavily in schools nowadays as fact (due to a rejection of God) with virtually nothing but theories to back it up.

In fact, due to the way the Universe is designed, there is actually more evidence of an intelligent creator/design than there is for evolution, or against intelligent design.

interesting read on evolution-

http://www.matthewmcgee.org/creation.html

Each of the statements in this post are completely wrong.

Where to begin... Ok, 1. Evidence for evolution found so far: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

2. Every discovery helps understand evolution better. Evolution happens to be a scientific theory and not dogma so out interpretation of evidence gets updated. Nevertheless, I request you to make an actual quote of this happening. (Media gets excited over a bone and it turns out to be of a goat).

3. Evolution is not a religion ( http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA610.html ). For evidence see point (1). Your wording of "Nothing but theories" shows that you have little understanding of what a theory is.

4. You claim "the universe is designed". You seem to misunderstand what the theory of evolution is at all. It is the description of a set of natural rules that allowed the existence of different species. It explains why there are species and how they were generated. It does not explain the existence of life or the universe.

There is no evidence whatsoever, and I mean zero evidence that the "universe is designed". In fact, we see chaos and disorganization everywhere. If a designer was behind this, then he is probably not intelligent, seeing how he wasted tons and tons of space and time for just a single planet's human life of mere couple of thousands of years (biblical explanation) against the current estimated age of the universe.

There is no proof for design. Even proponents of ID seem to forget about proving design and instead just focus on 'disproving' evolution. They are so misguided and ignorant that think that just showing evolution is enough to prove ID. Which is absolute non-sense. Even so, they have utterly failed to demonstrate any of their claims.

The page you linked gives me 404 which is a great metaphor for the existence of ID evidence.


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15 Dec 2010, 9:46 pm

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What christian denominations are NOT agianst autism/aspergers.


I am working on getting my life together at 23. Working out. Going back to school almost full time while working 3 days a week. Now, its time for church. What denominations are not agianst autistics. Mind you, my disability is not that visible or socially noticable. However, I want to feel welcom....


Hello,

I don't know of any Christian denomination that is openly against autistics.

What I can tell you that in a way to adapt to the society and mostly for marketing and penetration of the youth. Some Churches do a lot of things that are excessively pro-NT while leaving non-NT (autistics and also other guys like me) feeling out of place.

For example, back when I was in the Catholic church at a young age. I had to deal with the challenge of doing my confirmation. Because, in order to make it more appealing to most young people, they made the confirmation stuff require much socialized class events and then campments. The other guys of course loved it but for me it was torture.

But the good news is that it is unlikely you need to go through those things if you just want to go to your Church on Sundays and be there. And probably help. Well, it all depends on the branch you pick, I guess.

I just decided to quit my religion and become another thing, but that's a different story.


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16 Dec 2010, 8:10 am

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TheBicyclingGuitarist wrote:
I know there is overwhelming evidence that evolution happens
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Not to start an argument, but there is actually virtually no evidence for evolution at all. Thats why the media gets excited when a weird bone is found, and then it turns out to be from a goat or something.

Evolution is basically a religion, but it's pushed heavily in schools nowadays as fact (due to a rejection of God) with virtually nothing but theories to back it up.

In fact, due to the way the Universe is designed, there is actually more evidence of an intelligent creator/design than there is for evolution, or against intelligent design.

interesting read on evolution-

http://www.matthewmcgee.org/creation.html
they cant teach about God because of the separation between church and state(thank "God" for that) are you one of the types of people who claims earth is 6 thousand years old? cuz your "source claims that earth is not roughly 5 billion years old they seem to advocate the Young Earth theory which has absolutely no logical or scientific explanation for that particular school of thought. so may i also ask. are you, by any chance, a member of the flat earth society? you know sine you seem to enjoy disregarding scientific fact for a book written by men. religion is a lie and according to Thomas Jefferson "Religion is the biggest threat to Liberty." are you advocating religious dictatorship like what destroyed Europe for over 1000 years? http://www.nwcreation.net/ageyoung.html http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/


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16 Dec 2010, 8:21 am

to the original poster, if you feel churches discriminates autism, well you could try finding a religion that tolerates it because in my personal experience i have found that churches, especially catholics, are very judgmental despite the fact God says no one is allowed to judge which begs the question do they think they are God? but back to the point i found other religions strikingly similar to one another and after serious soul searching realized religion is a lie. so now im Agnostic Atheist. so my advice is go soul searching and listen to your heart. believe in what your heart knows is true.


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16 Dec 2010, 10:08 am

To the original poster, for you whether or not a particular denomination is out of touch with reality may not matter. What I said in my first reply to this thread was I can't leave my brain at the door of any church. If you want to go to church for appearances, because it is "expected" or "what everyone else does" and you're doing this to try to fit in and be "normal," I strongly suggest that instead of that you follow your own heart. I finally chose Buddhism as my path, mainly because it stresses direct experience rather than taking anything secondhand. There aren't many gatherings of Buddhists in USA compared to Christians though, and any gathering of any faith is likely to have some dogma I might not agree with. If it is social support you want, I hope you find a church where you feel loved. Like I warned though, if it's important to you to hang around any group of people, hang around long enough and you will begin to think like them whether you realize it or not.

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you know sine you seem to enjoy disregarding scientific fact for a book written by men. religion is a lie and according to Thomas Jefferson "Religion is the biggest threat to Liberty." are you advocating religious dictatorship like what destroyed Europe for over 1000 years?


Accepting the fact of evolution does not require that one reject one's faith in God any more or any less than accepting the fact of gravity. A lot of people on both sides of this issue seem to equate evolution with atheism, when in fact most Christians worldwide have no trouble reconciling the two. The official position of most Christian denominations is to either accept evolution as the fact it is, or say whether or not it happens is irrelevant to their faith.

The only exceptions are those who insist on believing everything the Bible says to be literally true, and as TheKing points out that would mean they should also believe the earth is flat if they're going to go that route to be consistent. The Bible can be inerrant (without error) without one having to insist that everything in it literally happened. For example, Jesus taught much in parables. If one gets stuck on the details of the story or the storyteller one can miss the point of what that story is supposed to convey.

Many people who are the most vocal about fighting the teaching of science in science classrooms also advocate turning America into a theocracy. It is so funny that they claim they are returning America to the vision of the Founding Fathers when most of those Founding Fathers were Deist (not Christian) and some were most definitely anti-Christian (like Thomas Jefferson). To turn America into a Christian Nation would go against the very principles this country was founded upon as expressed in the Constitution and in numerous writings of the Founding Fathers.


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16 Dec 2010, 10:52 am

Many people who are the most vocal about fighting the teaching of science in science classrooms also advocate turning America into a theocracy. It is so funny that they claim they are returning America to the vision of the Founding Fathers when most of those Founding Fathers were Deist (not Christian) and some were most definitely anti-Christian (like Thomas Jefferson). To turn America into a Christian Nation would go against the very principles this country was founded upon as expressed in the Constitution and in numerous writings of the Founding Fathers.[/quote]

sorry for possibly going a bit overboard at the end but what you said was what i was going for i was on my PS3 at the time and its not easy to type on the PS3 so i try to make it short. it wasnt that Thomas Jefferson was anti christian he was anti organized religion. him and my older brother have the same religion agnostic theism where Thomas Jefferson believed in a "God" its that he didnt know which, if any, religion was correct he just thought that God merely existed. the flat earth society has changed their views also however know they believe the world is coin shaped which accounts for being able to go around it but they still deny every known scientific thought lol


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17 Dec 2010, 5:12 am

ApsieGuy wrote:
What christian denominations are NOT agianst autism/aspergers.

I am working on getting my life together at 23. Working out. Going back to school almost full time while working 3 days a week. Now, its time for church. What denominations are not agianst autistics. Mind you, my disability is not that visible or socially noticable. However, I want to feel welcom....


Are you sure you just want to feel welcome? If so, almost any church will do. Just be careful, though. Don't get yourself emotionally burned by the teachings and the pushy attitude of many pastors and Church people.



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20 Dec 2010, 1:29 pm

Confused. How could a religion be against aspergers? O.o

I for one have aspergers, and am Catholic. Were open to everyone--my church's motto/saying/whatever is "All are Welcome" :)

Maybe you would consider Catholocism?...


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20 Dec 2010, 6:45 pm

AngelRho wrote:
That sounds a bit more stereotypical rather than actual. That really only applies more to the "old skool" Baptist tradition and not quite so much of current trends.


Yeah, that's why I used the scare quotes around the title. I was categorising churches by worship style more than theology or name. You can go to some Episcopalian services that are more Catholic than Catholics, if you follow me. One thing I didn't mention are churches that play music (like, soft, simple chords on the organ) while the preacher is speaking. I find it massively distracting.

Service length is another thing as well. Some more traditional Presbyterian and eastern orthodox services can push two or three hours. Which may or may not be an issue.



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22 Dec 2010, 1:13 am

Going to church is no different from going to school. You are being judged for how you socialize with people and present yourself. If you were to tell them you're autistic, I doubt it's a serious offense for any autistic to be cast out unless you've exposed enough negative aspects of yourself to them to warrant it. You would only be cast out if your beliefs or behaviors are considered too much of a nuisance to them.

It's a sad system because church is in itself a strict etiquette of having to sit on a hard bench for 90 minutes to hear a lecture that barely gets your attention and then being shift around to post service group meetings. Much like how a school runs itself only this happens once a week for the rest of your life (if you're that committed).