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I bet you didn't bother to watch those videos. There are witnesses who saw the plane hit the Pentagon and also remains of the plane.

Watch the videos! Why do we have to watch your videos but you don't watch the videos we post?



Stop with the bullsh*t. There are witnesses that saw the damn plane hit the Pentagon! And there were bloody plane remains that were found around the area of the Pentagon. What bloody evidence do you have for your garbage "theories"? None! Nothing! Go eat lettuce and then go to sleep! You are not needed in this thread if you and your likes are going to continue to lie and spread BS!

Did you see the witness in the first video. It was in the f*****g news on TV!



Yeah, ignore all the videos on YouTube that address your lies and sh***y arguments.



You've shown yourself to be a liar, and I'm not the only one here seeing this as someone called you a BS spreader or something. So any argument you make from now on will not be taken seriously by me (no matter what experiences you have). You can blame yourself for that.



They said that a plane did hit the Pentagon.

Go eat lettuce and then go to sleep, dummy! lol

To the readers, I apologize for the frustration, but my patience has its limits.

Itching ears and explanatory ability. People want to hear things that sound like it's a "hidden truth" and if it works well as a paradigm to explain their sets of axioms then they are more likely to prefer it.

I can understand "go take a flying leap," and it's variations, but I'm afraid I just don't grasp "Go eat lettuce, and go to sleep."

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Hell. I was in Virginia, not too far from the Pentagon that sunny Tuesday morning. I did not see the plane hit the Pentagon but I saw it coming in very low where there was no airfield. I thought the plane was trying to make a crash landing. I had to rub my eyes and look again. In a way, it was trying to make a crash landing.

Indeed, the Pentagon was hit by the plane.

ruveyn

Mass hysteria and government pressure is a wonderful thing (sic).

1. I've seen images of plenty of aircraft crashes. Airplanes hitting ANYTHING make a huge mess. Pentagon...nary a drop of evidence to account for the type of aircraft they claim hit the building.

2. As said before, the original images taken immediately after the impact shows a hole WAY TOO SMALL to be made by any commercial airliner and certainly one with engines mounted on the wings. Engines are durable enough to leave debris and marks on the building. The initial hole on the Pentagon (most all images you see now are from later when the facade collapsed...making things look much bigger) could not have been formed by a commercial airliner.

3. The photo evidence the Pentagon leaked out shows a fireball indicating something hotter than jet fuel. The damage is consistent with an explosive, not a fire from a plane impact, and again, the photos make it IMPOSSIBLE for it to be a plane because a plane is too large to be committed from those frames if they document the moment of impact.

4. There is the theory that the "place" was actually a Predator drone. Enough are unaccounted for on 9/11 for one of them to have been used. A drone could carry a missile that would punch into the Pentagon, do the damage we initially see, and the drone could have flown into the hole made...leaving a very scant amount of debris.

The government story is a total lie. The part of the Pentagon hit had ALL the records and personnel investigating a multi-trillion dollar discrepancy in Pentagon spending. The truth of this missing money was admitted on 9/10 by Rumsfeld in a general press conference. So, 9/11 resulted in an explosion that destroyed all the computers, documents and accountants investigating this multi-trillion dollar discrepancy at the Pentagon. The government had Pentagon employees out on the lawn policing any scrap of debris they could find (totally illegal...tampering with a crime scene). The government rounded up ALL video evidence of what happened that day and went to people and told them it was a plane that hit the building and that is the story they were supposed to tell if asked (this is proven).

To keep a job in DC, you better do as you are told. I'm sure it's easy for a lot of "eyewitnesses" to be co-opted into doing what they are told. If it was a drone, a lot of people can be convinced to see what they saw as something else. Experts can show how it's impossible for the claimed aircraft to have made it to the target at the speed it was allegedly traveling.

Y'know what else leaves a distinct "smoke" trail? A plane scooting along the floor at high speed.

Also, who are all these people who think they know how big a hole a plane leaves when it crashes into a building? Its not all that common.

For that matter, how many people looking for "evidence" have seen the average air-crash site? A LOT of tiny bits of crap that look like random crap. Sometimes there is a big chunk of plane left, sometimes not.

So many of these conspiracies rely on the whole of New York City (or wherever) being blind. I don't care how much power the US Gov. thinks it has, it cannot feasibly change the physical sight and memory of a huge chunk of New York citizenry. Its ridiculous. Of course all this arguing about "whether it was a plane" occludes the deeper subject of why what happened, happened. If there is a conspiracy theory anywhere, it will be there, in the reasons (or the claimed reasons) behind the attacks.

The hole being discussed here is the shape of a wingless plane.


Again: The question here is the shape and size of the hole.


The Pentagon is not in New York.

Ah, so here's actual eyewitness evidence cited by ruveyn, probably going to treated contemptuously by the "I doubt everything I can doubt" school of thoughtlessness.

Nah ... I just suspect the days are confused and that is the one that went into the river.

Some very simple indisputable facts.

Aircraft (all of them) shatter on impact. They aren't tough enough to pass into a small hole in a building. The photos showing the "crash" right after it happened showed a hole too small for even the fuselage (the tube-shaped part) to pass through. The tail and wings would have been sheared off and lying on the outside of the Pentagon. This is 1,000,000% indisputable. There should have been large chunks of debris on the grass with the tail section remnants being fairly identifiable and the engines, even as scrap, would have maintained a good portion of their integrity and left their own impact marks on the facade due to their higher density and weight. The fuel is stored in the wings so their shearing off would have dumped hundreds of gallons of JET A fuel onto the lawn of the Pentagon...mandating EPA-compliant containment and clean up...which never happened.

The government's story only makes sense IF you believe the photos they plaster in the media show the damage of the Pentagon the INSTANT the impact happened and then believe the claim that the whole plane went into the building. Photos taken right after the alleged impact shows a hole way too small. The government's media shots were taken significantly later...after the facade collapsed into the damaged section within the building...definitely created by a short-lived explosion and not burning jet fuel that would burn for hours.

Just thought I'd chuck this in since it is related

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/350/265/ ... _True.html

More details if you follow the link.

Cons-Piracy with Jessie Ventura (really Sartresue!) topic

Wow, I never knew what I missed before reading this thread.

I never knew I lived in TV land and that god controlled the remote.

I never knew that the Holocaust was a made-for-TV movie, 9/11 was a block buster/Academy award winning video and that JFK and Elvis are living in a gay relationship with baboons on the old estate of Michael Jackson, who, actually does exist, in Never Never land. Just Believe.

l had no idea the man on the moon was a hollywood creation on a studio backdrop, and that the moon was made of green cheese or paper mache. The earth is flat, and we all got AIDS because we like it kinky with furry primates. Anything goes!

Atheism is a myth created by WP. We are actually the creations of The Great Director.

Death, too is a myth. No one really dies, because we can be resurrected, like in computer games! No one dies, because Fred Phelps will protest!!

Such a big screen TV, 3D of course, that we live in. But, then, god can do anything!!

Wow! I never knew I could be sarcastic. See, there is a god!

@PatrickNeville : Your link does not work. but:

Massive BS detector explosion in here. When has the mainstream media forced to accept that fluoride is risky? (it isn't) and the cell phone bit is laughable at best.

Natunuts love such rhetoric. It is all a conspiracy by advertising dollars from big pharma, the med industry, cell phone companies or whatever. it is always David vs Goliath and Goliath owns the media. But it is BS. You know that all the studies that show that cell phones are risky were sponsored by companies wanting to sell you "protection" against the "risk", and not to mention proven wrong constantly.

Anyways, let us assume that article was an actual list of times at which the media eventually accepted some conspiracy theories as true. It would miss the point.

Let me explain, the difference between a Conspiracy Theory, a "ground breaking new fact" and "utter BS" is evidence. When a conspiracy theory is invented , either through legitimate suspicion (like 911 truthers) or the author's own biases (many naturonuts) or the author's selfish personal interests (like the corrupt, fraud Wakefield who had monetary interests) It is just a conspiracy theory, it may be interesting material for a book or novel, but it has not been tested.

Then , eventually the conspiracy theory will get tested. Most of the times, it will fail that test, and will be officially dethroned to "utter BS". Some other times, it will surprise us all, the conspiracy theory turned out to be true, and we'll finally have evidence to it. The conspiracy theory becomes a new, ground breaking fact and is reported and people learn it. But that's looong after the conspiracy theory has been crafted. Nobody is 'forced' to believe in conspiracy theories. It is just that some few conspiracy theories become fact because some people actually bothered to test them and found evidence for them, actual evidence, not fraudulent evidence and eventually, everybody with a chance to test it ended up agreeing. We reached a consensus and found something new.

However, that some conspiracy theories may turn out to be true in a distant future, does not mean we should blindly take ANY of them seriously. Until there is the actual evidence for them, they remain conspiracy theories. Now, it is possible that, in some cases the evidence backfires and shows that the conspiracy theory was just wrong. This is the case with cell phones and the autism/vaccine link. In that case, people like me will feel free to call them utter BS for the time being. Maybe, maybe some of the other conspiracies theories may come out as true, but that will never fix the ones that are nowadays proven to be false. That you find out a solid confirmation that Flouride is a mind control substance, it will not make the "cell phones are harmful" myth any less false.

The reason I sound so aggressive about these things, is that I used to be a conspiracy theory nutcase. Eventually though, I educated myself. I learned better about vaccines and how much alt med fraudster had manipulated the topic and harmed people. It made me notice that conspiracy theories are not just a silly game and forced me to learn some critical thinking and become closer to a skeptic. When applied the critical thinking to other aspects of my belief rainbow, I eventually disposed of many beliefs that were plain wrong, including Catholicism. Nowadays, I just hope I could spread critical thinking a bit more by fighting conspiracy nuts and fear mongers outing them as what they are. Specially in regards to vaccines.

Yes. I know where the Pentagon is, hence "wherever". A broad catch-all term for any area, urban or suburban, which happens to provide line of sight to one of the "targets" of 9/11. The point IS that plenty enough everyday folk said "OOOO s**t that's a plane. Its a bit low...."

The point about aircraft crashes is that a lot of these conspiracy theorists don't appear to have had a great deal of first-hand experience of 757s crashing into buildings (it being, thank f**k, quite a rare occurrence. Chances are, even the experts are lacking in experience on that front.) Strikes me there is a LOT of guess-work going on here. I'm certainly not buying that the US deliberately blew it up to get rid of paperwork about dodgy finances. There are SO MANY easy ways to hide dodgy dealings, especially if you are the bloody government. Ridiculous. That's not False Flag, its just stupid.

Easy way to get rid of all that "evidence"? Re-file it two corridors over under the wrong name, then relocate everyone working on it to new duties elsewhere. Then stick it through a cross-cut shredder. Or just lie. If its on a PC, simply run Windows until it eats the files on its own. Blame a stooge and get them fired for it. I could carry on for hours. "Pretend to fly a plane into it." IS NOT the first idea that comes to mind.