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20 Mar 2011, 6:29 pm

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The logic (if you can call it that :roll:

) is that since the tea party is made up predominately of white males then that makes them racist. I guess, to the opponents, that implies that the tea party does not allow pepople of other races.
Those that are against it will grasp at anything to degrade it.
This does not just apply to the tea party but anything they don't like.

No. IF the teabagger message is one of fiscal responsibility and small government, then it should be attractive to anyone who likes those things. But since most everyone except white protestants stay well away, including black protestants who approve of those things, there is obviously some undercurrent that they do not feel comfortable with. These undercurrents do not have to be part of the official policy. Sometimes a community feels things outside their official bonds.

The inability to harmonize the teaparties admirable and rational points with a broad cultural adoption is a strong indicator that they are doing something wrong.

Here in Canada we have the NDP party. While they have some laudable ideals, they just dont appeal to a broad spectrum of Canadians, and they never make much headway. They are like the reverse image of the Tea Partiers in many ways.

Therein lies the problem. The Tea Party calls itself a populist movement... but its not. Its a fringe party.

Nope. They can only make it open to all with like beleifs, not go to extremes to make them join.
The way this tea bag thing gets discussed as much as it does on this forum you'd thing it's more than just a fringe movement.....

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20 Mar 2011, 7:19 pm

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Nope. They can only make it open to all with like beleifs, not go to extremes to make them join.

Of course you cannot make or insist that people join. The point is they present themselves as a populist movement supported by everyday average Americans. But they are not. They do not have broad support, and the average american is both browner and less religious than an average tea partier.

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The way this tea bag thing gets discussed as much as it does on this forum you'd thing it's more than just a fringe movement.....

The NDP gets lots of chatter(places other than WP) too considering its size. But that isnt surprising. Grey politics are uninteresting.

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20 Mar 2011, 7:29 pm

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@ Fuzzy

I would argue it is more fear of their neighbors and the SEIU and/or actually believing the lamestream media.

What? The Teabaggers are afraid of their neighbors and the Service Employees International Union? And, they actually believe the "lamestream media?"

Talking about Conservative African Americans, especially after a certain incident.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFeUhSlHiUQ[/youtube]

For every example shown in your video of evil liberals and labor union members committing acts of violence, a counter example for tea baggers physically attacking their opposition, and denying them the right to speak could be provided. Case in point: in a confrontation between supporters and opponents of Susan Angle, a male Angle supporter punched a female Democrat he was having a screaming match with. Angle lamely tried to claim the incident had been orchestrated by Harry Reid. The fact of the matter is, people do crazy things when their blood is up - and politics can get people's blood up more than sports!

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20 Mar 2011, 7:34 pm

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I thought that you didn't pay any attention to "lamestream media?"

Apparently my definition of lamestream media and yours differ.

Your lamestream media above does contain a blatant lie. Congress did not exempt itself from Health Care Reform. In fact, health insurance companies that participate in the Federal Employees Health Benefit (FEHB) were very quick to comply with the new law. Now children of federal and postal employees, and of members of Congress, are covered until the age of 26. And, the same groups of people can now visit a shrink without first seeking the insurance company's permission.

I really don't see anything wrong with any of this. You people are just a bunch of damned idiots is what it comes down to.

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20 Mar 2011, 10:31 pm

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The point is they present themselves as a populist movement supported by everyday average Americans. But they are not. They do not have broad support, and the average american is both browner and less religious than an average tea partier.

If wikipedia is to be trusted, the U.S.A. is 79.6% white and 78.4% Christian.

I'll bet most political parties in Japan are mostly Japanese and Shinto.

I also find it funny That a Canadian is telling Americans* what an "average American" is.

*In the U.S.A. sense of course.

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20 Mar 2011, 11:20 pm

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There are Christians, and then there are Christians. Most American Christians belong to mainline denominations, whereas evangelicals are a marginal group - though a noisy one, which garners much more political influence than their actual numbers justify. Even the more doctrinally conservative mainline churches are much more moderate and tolerant than their evangelical counterparts.

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21 Mar 2011, 12:15 am

OK, it seems that the Tea Party is IMO a group of narcissitic rich people that only care if they have money and that everybody believes in the same god that they do. The opinions and needs of others be damned. There have been attempts to label the Tea Party a Libertarian movement which has gotten mixed responses from the Libertarian community. For example, Dennis Miller has nothing but praise for the Tea Party, but Penn Jillette can not stand them because of their opinions on Atheism. I happen to agree with Mr. Jillette on this circumstance. America is not a Christian nation because of one line in the Bill of Rights that prevents from becoming one.
I think it needs repeating.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.

The Government can not condone any religion whatsoever! SO QUIT SAYING THEY CAN!

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21 Mar 2011, 10:56 am

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Here's the table from Wikipedia:

Race/Ethnicity (2009)[122]
White 79.6%
Black 12.9%
Asian 4.6%
American Indian and Alaska Native 1.0%
Native Hawaiian and Pacific Islander 0.2%
Two or more races 1.7%
Hispanic (of any race) 15.8%

Which equals... 115.8%
No, Wikipedia is not a very good source on this topic.

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21 Mar 2011, 11:25 am

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Here's the table from Wikipedia:

Race/Ethnicity (2009)[122]
White 79.6%
Black 12.9%
Asian 4.6%
American Indian and Alaska Native 1.0%
Native Hawaiian and Pacific Islander 0.2%
Two or more races 1.7%
Hispanic (of any race) 15.8%
Which equals... 115.8%
No, Wikipedia is not a very good source on this topic.

You're counting Hispanics twice. White, Black, Asian, etc., also includes Hispanics. Subtract the 15.8% Hispanic, and you have 100% total.

Hispanic is an ethnicity, and not a race.

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21 Mar 2011, 11:44 am

pandabear wrote:

number5 wrote:

Here's the table from Wikipedia:

Race/Ethnicity (2009)[122]
White 79.6%
Black 12.9%
Asian 4.6%
American Indian and Alaska Native 1.0%
Native Hawaiian and Pacific Islander 0.2%
Two or more races 1.7%
Hispanic (of any race) 15.8%
Which equals... 115.8%
No, Wikipedia is not a very good source on this topic.

You're counting Hispanics twice. White, Black, Asian, etc., also includes Hispanics. Subtract the 15.8% Hispanic, and you have 100% total.

Hispanic is an ethnicity, and not a race.

Oh, I see. But wait, that means the 79.6% of white people may not actually all be white afterall - at least not tea party white :wink:

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21 Mar 2011, 11:55 am

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Oh, I see. But wait, that means the 79.6% of white people may not actually all be white afterall - at least not tea party white :wink:

Correct, not Teabagger White.

If people write, for example, "Mexican" on their census form, then the Census Bureau classifies them as "White", even though a lot of Mexicans are of mixed European/Indian ancestry.

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21 Mar 2011, 12:40 pm

PM wrote:

We actually were founded on Judeo-Christian Values, if you look at history rather that quoting things out of context.

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.

Boy are you out of context.
What the First Amendment actually reads:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

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The Government can not condone any religion whatsoever! SO QUIT SAYING THEY CAN!

Government is also not allowed to persecute a religion either, it is freedom of religion not freedom from religion.

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21 Mar 2011, 1:12 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

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We actually were founded on Judeo-Christian Values, if you look at history rather that quoting things out of context.

PM wrote:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.

PM wrote:

The Government can not condone any religion whatsoever! SO QUIT SAYING THEY CAN!

Government is also not allowed to persecute a religion either, it is freedom of religion not freedom from religion.

I only quoted the establishment clause because that is the only part of the Constitution that Conservatives seem to ignore.

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it is freedom of religion not freedom from religion

This is the most annoying phrase in politics IMO. It seems that christians do not want atheists to exist or have rights. I have news for you, we are not going away,ever. I believe that other atheists would agree. I only want the christians to respect our right to worship nothing.

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21 Mar 2011, 2:13 pm

The only way to have freedom of religion is to have freedom from religion. Allowing government-sponsored prayer (or whatever) necessarily gives the impression of endorsement of that religion. If you doubt this, ask yourself how you would feel about a Muslim imam or a wiccan high priestess giving the blessing every morning before congress began its business.

The values that the Christian majority of this country arrogantly claim are 'Judeo-Christian values' were also once claimed as 'Protestant values' and also once claimed as 'Western (white) values.' It's just another way for the majority to claim that civilization would end if they were no longer in the majority.

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21 Mar 2011, 2:26 pm

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freedom from religion.

That is the fundamental freedom in a modern society everyone should have.

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21 Mar 2011, 2:32 pm

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freedom from religion.

That is the fundamental freedom in a modern society everyone should have.

And not only for atheists is this freedom necessary. Those of us who believe need to be free from beliefs we don't hold to.
And yes, I very much respect atheists right to be free from any and all religion - even mine.

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