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What do you think of Rush Limbaugh's pay?
He is over-paid 54%  54%  [ 19 ]
He is paid what he is worth 43%  43%  [ 15 ]
He is under-paid 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
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19 Apr 2011, 3:45 pm

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Mr. Limbaugh is certainly a brilliant businessman.


I don't see how that is in any way implied by his success.

He's an entertainer. If he has a brilliance, it's in attracting a large audience. Asking for more money every chance you get is just simple math.


He also has majority share on the distribution rights of his show.


So? That sort of thing can be sorted out with less than 8 hours billable to a good contract attorney.

Rush Limbaugh is a talented entertainer with a good lawyer. Warren Buffet is a brilliant businessman.



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19 Apr 2011, 3:50 pm

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Inuyasha wrote:
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Mr. Limbaugh is certainly a brilliant businessman.


I don't see how that is in any way implied by his success.

He's an entertainer. If he has a brilliance, it's in attracting a large audience. Asking for more money every chance you get is just simple math.


He also has majority share on the distribution rights of his show.


So? That sort of thing can be sorted out with less than 8 hours billable to a good contract attorney.

Rush Limbaugh is a talented entertainer with a good lawyer. Warren Buffet is a brilliant businessman.


So, you're saying that it is okay to trample on people's intellectual property rights without due process?



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19 Apr 2011, 3:52 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
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Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
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Inuyasha wrote:
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He is trusted because he is honest and open about his bias, he doesn't make any attempt to hide it. People don't trust the lamestream media anymore because they got caught trying to portrary their opinions and bias as news.


Oh good, being open about your bias makes you credible :D

Newsflash: He is part of the mainstream media, and he portrays his opinions and bias as news!

I guess that is okay to you, since his bias is essentially feeding you opinions


He actually isn't part of the establishment media, he is one of the first of the alternative media where you just didn't get the left's talking points on a daily basis.


Yeah.. okay there. You shouldn't listen to pundits, left or right. Do yourself a big favor


Where should I get my news from then? Are you seriously telling me I should rely on sources that are busy trying to get into Obama's pants and have his babies?

Sorry, but if the research into the facts lines up with what a pundit is saying, one is ignoring them at their own peril.


Seriously? Its either for or against Obama for you? I am suggesting nothing of the kind. And doing research into Fox stories by looking at previous Fox stories is not research


Hate to break it to you, but Fox News was the only outlet to actually do any research on Obama's background, his associations, etc. The other outlets were busy trying to not report them and/or actively hide the evidence.


If you're talking about that whole Birther thing, that whole shenanigan actually made the Birthers look stupid and ended up giving Obama good publicity. However you seem to forget that I dislike the other outlets perhaps equally to Fox so using that as some kind of ammunition against me is pointless, I agree with you they're corrupt


No, I'm talking about Obama's radical friends:

Ayers, Dorn, and Wright are just the tip of the iceberg.


Kinda funny ( :lol: ) you should mention that- I don't watch Fox, or any of the other mainstream sources, and yet I knew about that, and the whole Weathermen thing


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19 Apr 2011, 3:53 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
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Mr. Limbaugh is certainly a brilliant businessman.


I don't see how that is in any way implied by his success.

He's an entertainer. If he has a brilliance, it's in attracting a large audience. Asking for more money every chance you get is just simple math.


He also has majority share on the distribution rights of his show.


So? That sort of thing can be sorted out with less than 8 hours billable to a good contract attorney.

Rush Limbaugh is a talented entertainer with a good lawyer. Warren Buffet is a brilliant businessman.


So, you're saying that it is okay to trample on people's intellectual property rights without due process?


What he's saying is that what Rush did is not remarkable or business savvy and he held enough of the cards that any competent entertainment lawyer could have done the same. No business brilliance. Every entertainer wants to own as much of their product as they can but not as many have enough mainstream push behind them to get it done while still having the kind of multinational corporate backing that Rush does.


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19 Apr 2011, 3:56 pm

I should like to remind you people that although we cannot do anything about whatever amlount of money Limbaugh wins, we can discuss it and it can eventually lead to reform laws regarding salaries (for example). Do not think that law is a unilateral process that does not implicate the citizenry in any step. Anyways. I don't know why i even bother discussing this, since this is mostly a problem for the anglophones. :lol: There's probably a similar problem with french media, but it hasn't been known to me thus far. I will agree with Vigilans's general position regarding salaries though. :o



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19 Apr 2011, 3:58 pm

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What he's saying is that what Rush did is not remarkable or business savvy and he held enough of the cards that any competent entertainment lawyer could have done the same. No business brilliance. Every entertainer wants to own as much of their product as they can but not as many have enough mainstream push behind them to get it done while still having the kind of multinational corporate backing that Rush does.


Precisely. Competence isn't brilliance. Success is not evidence of genius.

For all we know Gallagher may be the superior businessman, but his shtick has limited appeal and it doesn't matter how well you sell a product if few people are interested in it.



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19 Apr 2011, 4:01 pm

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I should like to remind you people that although we cannot do anything about whatever amlount of money Limbaugh wins, we can discuss it and it can eventually lead to reform laws regarding salaries (for example). Do not think that law is a unilateral process that does not implicate the citizenry in any step. Anyways. I don't know why i even bother discussing this, since this is mostly a problem for the anglophones. :lol: There's probably a similar problem with french media, but it hasn't been known to me thus far. I will agree with Vigilans's general position regarding salaries though. :o


Thank you for your solidarity, fellow Montrealer :lol:
I don't watch too much Francophone media (or any T.V. / media at all for that matter) but there is one web page that gets a lot of attention in Quebec that I find offensive- Vigile.net
They are really quite xenophobic, and also clearly trying to score points off of my good name with that word association :lol:


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19 Apr 2011, 4:09 pm

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Success is not evidence of genius.


No objectivist will understand this.


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19 Apr 2011, 5:00 pm

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Not overpaid, just proof that we're overpopulated with idiots.


Apparently anyone who does not share your views is an idiot.

ruveyn


"not sharing one's views" is not evidence of idiocy. Rather, simply parroting the views of someone like either Rush Limbaugh or Adolph Hiter is evidence of idiocy.

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“Do you know what bought me all this?” he asked, waving his hand in the general direction of his prosperity. “Not my political ideas. Conservatism didn’t buy this house. First and foremost I’m a businessman. My first goal is to attract the largest possible audience so I can charge confiscatory ad rates. I happen to have great entertainment skills, but that enables me to sell airtime.”


Like Hitler, Mr. Limbaugh is able to control the thoughts and opinions of a large number of people, who really can't be bothered to form their own opinions.

Mr. Limbaugh is primarily interested in gaining the attention of huge numbers of ret*d Americans, so that he can, as he says, "charge confiscatory ad rates."

In an objective sense, news and analysis that contains some actual substance to it, whether it has a basis in either fascism or liberalism, would be of infinitely greater intrinsic value than Mr. Limbaugh's drivel.

But, few Americans would either be able to understand it or find it sufficiently entertaining. It would bring in negligible ad revenue.

Mr. Limbaugh's basic premise is that he is the big expert on absolutely everything, and that anyone who entertains a thought that differs from his on any topic is a "stupid, wacko Liberal!"

So, his audience defers to him in all matters, so as not to be accredited a "stupid, wacko Liberal."

Mr. Limbaugh does not produce wealth--all that he does is redistribute the wealth of idiots to himself. He is much better at this than the government. Even the state lotteries don't come close.

Mr. Limbaugh isn't going to become the President himself, but will do everything that he can to bring about a Republican tyranny.

Hopefully, the fat cigar-smoker will die before too much longer, and his grip on the nation's testicles will come to an end.



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19 Apr 2011, 5:29 pm

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Not overpaid, just proof that we're overpopulated with idiots.


Apparently anyone who does not share your views is an idiot.

ruveyn


"not sharing one's views" is not evidence of idiocy. Rather, simply parroting the views of someone like either Rush Limbaugh or Adolph Hiter is evidence of idiocy.


You are way out of line on a number of fronts.

1. You have no business comparing Rush Limbaugh to Adolf Hitler, that is way out of line.

2. I do my own research, if I happen to reach the same conclusion, I will quote someone simply because I'm not a great orator.

All you have managed to do is show you are nothing more than an ideologue.



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19 Apr 2011, 5:31 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
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He is trusted because he is honest and open about his bias, he doesn't make any attempt to hide it. People don't trust the lamestream media anymore because they got caught trying to portrary their opinions and bias as news.


Oh good, being open about your bias makes you credible :D

Newsflash: He is part of the mainstream media, and he portrays his opinions and bias as news!

I guess that is okay to you, since his bias is essentially feeding you opinions


He actually isn't part of the establishment media, he is one of the first of the alternative media where you just didn't get the left's talking points on a daily basis.


Yeah.. okay there. You shouldn't listen to pundits, left or right. Do yourself a big favor


Where should I get my news from then? Are you seriously telling me I should rely on sources that are busy trying to get into Obama's pants and have his babies?

Sorry, but if the research into the facts lines up with what a pundit is saying, one is ignoring them at their own peril.


Seriously? Its either for or against Obama for you? I am suggesting nothing of the kind. And doing research into Fox stories by looking at previous Fox stories is not research


Hate to break it to you, but Fox News was the only outlet to actually do any research on Obama's background, his associations, etc. The other outlets were busy trying to not report them and/or actively hide the evidence.


If you're talking about that whole Birther thing, that whole shenanigan actually made the Birthers look stupid and ended up giving Obama good publicity. However you seem to forget that I dislike the other outlets perhaps equally to Fox so using that as some kind of ammunition against me is pointless, I agree with you they're corrupt


No, I'm talking about Obama's radical friends:

Ayers, Dorn, and Wright are just the tip of the iceberg.


How do you know that that's the tip of the iceberg?
Glenn Beck hangs around with a holy roller minister and so called constitutional expert who has ties to white supremacists. And this guy exerts influence among high ranking conservative politicians from the last Bush era on. I'd say he's far more dangerous than any washed up ex-weatherman terrorist.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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19 Apr 2011, 5:36 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
He is trusted because he is honest and open about his bias, he doesn't make any attempt to hide it. People don't trust the lamestream media anymore because they got caught trying to portrary their opinions and bias as news.


Oh good, being open about your bias makes you credible :D

Newsflash: He is part of the mainstream media, and he portrays his opinions and bias as news!

I guess that is okay to you, since his bias is essentially feeding you opinions


He actually isn't part of the establishment media, he is one of the first of the alternative media where you just didn't get the left's talking points on a daily basis.


Yeah.. okay there. You shouldn't listen to pundits, left or right. Do yourself a big favor


Where should I get my news from then? Are you seriously telling me I should rely on sources that are busy trying to get into Obama's pants and have his babies?

Sorry, but if the research into the facts lines up with what a pundit is saying, one is ignoring them at their own peril.


Seriously? Its either for or against Obama for you? I am suggesting nothing of the kind. And doing research into Fox stories by looking at previous Fox stories is not research


Hate to break it to you, but Fox News was the only outlet to actually do any research on Obama's background, his associations, etc. The other outlets were busy trying to not report them and/or actively hide the evidence.


If you're talking about that whole Birther thing, that whole shenanigan actually made the Birthers look stupid and ended up giving Obama good publicity. However you seem to forget that I dislike the other outlets perhaps equally to Fox so using that as some kind of ammunition against me is pointless, I agree with you they're corrupt


No, I'm talking about Obama's radical friends:

Ayers, Dorn, and Wright are just the tip of the iceberg.


How do you know that that's the tip of the iceberg?
Glenn Beck hangs around with a holy roller minister and so called constitutional expert who has ties to white supremacists. And this guy exerts influence among high ranking conservative politicians from the last Bush era on. I'd say he's far more dangerous than any washed up ex-weatherman terrorist.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Because I actually got real news by real investigative Journalists.

So now, let’s leave thought experiments and return to reality: Why is the Los Angeles Times sitting on a videotape of the 2003 farewell bash in Chicago at which Barack Obama lavished praise on the guest of honor, Rashid Khalidi — former mouthpiece for master terrorist Yasser Arafat?

At the time Khalidi, a PLO adviser turned University of Chicago professor, was headed east to Columbia. There he would take over the University’s Middle East-studies program (which he has since maintained as a bubbling cauldron of anti-Semitism) and assume the professorship endowed in honor of Edward Sayyid, another notorious terror apologist.

The party featured encomiums by many of Khalidi’s allies, colleagues, and friends, including Barack Obama, then an Illinois state senator, and Bill Ayers, the terrorist turned education professor. It was sponsored by the Arab American Action Network (AAAN), which had been founded by Khalidi and his wife, Mona, formerly a top English translator for Arafat’s press agency.


http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/ ... c-mccarthy

And there is a lot more where that came from.



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19 Apr 2011, 5:43 pm

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You are way out of line on a number of fronts.

Nope. I'm way in line.

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1. You have no business comparing Rush Limbaugh to Adolf Hitler, that is way out of line.

I can identify similarities between Rush Limbaugh and Adolf Hitler if I wish. The nation needs to be aware of the similarities.

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2. I do my own research, if I happen to reach the same conclusion, I will quote someone simply because I'm not a great orator.

That's lame. :roll:

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All you have managed to do is show you are nothing more than an ideologue.

Oh? And have either you or Mr. Limbaugh demonstrated that you are not "ideologues?"



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19 Apr 2011, 5:54 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
He is trusted because he is honest and open about his bias, he doesn't make any attempt to hide it. People don't trust the lamestream media anymore because they got caught trying to portrary their opinions and bias as news.


Oh good, being open about your bias makes you credible :D

Newsflash: He is part of the mainstream media, and he portrays his opinions and bias as news!

I guess that is okay to you, since his bias is essentially feeding you opinions


He actually isn't part of the establishment media, he is one of the first of the alternative media where you just didn't get the left's talking points on a daily basis.


Yeah.. okay there. You shouldn't listen to pundits, left or right. Do yourself a big favor


Where should I get my news from then? Are you seriously telling me I should rely on sources that are busy trying to get into Obama's pants and have his babies?

Sorry, but if the research into the facts lines up with what a pundit is saying, one is ignoring them at their own peril.


Seriously? Its either for or against Obama for you? I am suggesting nothing of the kind. And doing research into Fox stories by looking at previous Fox stories is not research


Hate to break it to you, but Fox News was the only outlet to actually do any research on Obama's background, his associations, etc. The other outlets were busy trying to not report them and/or actively hide the evidence.


If you're talking about that whole Birther thing, that whole shenanigan actually made the Birthers look stupid and ended up giving Obama good publicity. However you seem to forget that I dislike the other outlets perhaps equally to Fox so using that as some kind of ammunition against me is pointless, I agree with you they're corrupt


No, I'm talking about Obama's radical friends:

Ayers, Dorn, and Wright are just the tip of the iceberg.


How do you know that that's the tip of the iceberg?
Glenn Beck hangs around with a holy roller minister and so called constitutional expert who has ties to white supremacists. And this guy exerts influence among high ranking conservative politicians from the last Bush era on. I'd say he's far more dangerous than any washed up ex-weatherman terrorist.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Because I actually got real news by real investigative Journalists.

So now, let’s leave thought experiments and return to reality: Why is the Los Angeles Times sitting on a videotape of the 2003 farewell bash in Chicago at which Barack Obama lavished praise on the guest of honor, Rashid Khalidi — former mouthpiece for master terrorist Yasser Arafat?

At the time Khalidi, a PLO adviser turned University of Chicago professor, was headed east to Columbia. There he would take over the University’s Middle East-studies program (which he has since maintained as a bubbling cauldron of anti-Semitism) and assume the professorship endowed in honor of Edward Sayyid, another notorious terror apologist.

The party featured encomiums by many of Khalidi’s allies, colleagues, and friends, including Barack Obama, then an Illinois state senator, and Bill Ayers, the terrorist turned education professor. It was sponsored by the Arab American Action Network (AAAN), which had been founded by Khalidi and his wife, Mona, formerly a top English translator for Arafat’s press agency.


http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/ ... c-mccarthy

And there is a lot more where that came from.


Weren't Obama and this Professor Khalidi colleagues? I would see this more as a matter of fellow educators getting together to say goodbye to one of their own, than envision something sinister about this.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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19 Apr 2011, 6:00 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
He is trusted because he is honest and open about his bias, he doesn't make any attempt to hide it. People don't trust the lamestream media anymore because they got caught trying to portrary their opinions and bias as news.


Oh good, being open about your bias makes you credible :D

Newsflash: He is part of the mainstream media, and he portrays his opinions and bias as news!

I guess that is okay to you, since his bias is essentially feeding you opinions


He actually isn't part of the establishment media, he is one of the first of the alternative media where you just didn't get the left's talking points on a daily basis.


Yeah.. okay there. You shouldn't listen to pundits, left or right. Do yourself a big favor


Where should I get my news from then? Are you seriously telling me I should rely on sources that are busy trying to get into Obama's pants and have his babies?

Sorry, but if the research into the facts lines up with what a pundit is saying, one is ignoring them at their own peril.


Seriously? Its either for or against Obama for you? I am suggesting nothing of the kind. And doing research into Fox stories by looking at previous Fox stories is not research


Hate to break it to you, but Fox News was the only outlet to actually do any research on Obama's background, his associations, etc. The other outlets were busy trying to not report them and/or actively hide the evidence.


If you're talking about that whole Birther thing, that whole shenanigan actually made the Birthers look stupid and ended up giving Obama good publicity. However you seem to forget that I dislike the other outlets perhaps equally to Fox so using that as some kind of ammunition against me is pointless, I agree with you they're corrupt


No, I'm talking about Obama's radical friends:

Ayers, Dorn, and Wright are just the tip of the iceberg.


How do you know that that's the tip of the iceberg?
Glenn Beck hangs around with a holy roller minister and so called constitutional expert who has ties to white supremacists. And this guy exerts influence among high ranking conservative politicians from the last Bush era on. I'd say he's far more dangerous than any washed up ex-weatherman terrorist.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Because I actually got real news by real investigative Journalists.

So now, let’s leave thought experiments and return to reality: Why is the Los Angeles Times sitting on a videotape of the 2003 farewell bash in Chicago at which Barack Obama lavished praise on the guest of honor, Rashid Khalidi — former mouthpiece for master terrorist Yasser Arafat?

At the time Khalidi, a PLO adviser turned University of Chicago professor, was headed east to Columbia. There he would take over the University’s Middle East-studies program (which he has since maintained as a bubbling cauldron of anti-Semitism) and assume the professorship endowed in honor of Edward Sayyid, another notorious terror apologist.

The party featured encomiums by many of Khalidi’s allies, colleagues, and friends, including Barack Obama, then an Illinois state senator, and Bill Ayers, the terrorist turned education professor. It was sponsored by the Arab American Action Network (AAAN), which had been founded by Khalidi and his wife, Mona, formerly a top English translator for Arafat’s press agency.


http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/ ... c-mccarthy

And there is a lot more where that came from.


Weren't Obama and this Professor Khalidi colleagues? I would see this more as a matter of fellow educators getting together to say goodbye to one of their own, than envision something sinister about this.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Why didn't they release the tape? If it was just Obama praising him as a colleague your argument would have merit, in fact it wouldn't even be embarassing at all.

Also what was Ayers doing at the party, I thought he was just some guy that happened to live in the same neighborhood as Obama (if we take Obama at his word). Did you know Ayers and Dohrn were the ones that introduced Barack Obama to Michelle.



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19 Apr 2011, 6:16 pm

Who cares who introduced Barack and Michelle?
I admittedly know little or nothing about this get together, but I take it that Obama doesn't make any Antisemitic statements, nor does he plot to commit acts of terror. Again, it was a friendly get together, and blowing it out of proportion is only going to make your side look foolish.
On second thought, yell it from the roof tops. :lol:

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