President Obama releases the long form copy of his birth cer

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And the crazy wing chimes in.

What sets this issue apart from recent low brow conspiracies is the degree to which the GOP has pandered to it. There are birther laws being pushed in a dozen plus states. Then you have 45% of Republicans agreeing with it and a another 22% saying they werent sure. Then you have national Republican leaders who have been playing footsie with it because they afraid of implying that their voters are stupid and possibly because they enjoy the meme. Some were smart enough to stand clear of it, others not so much.

Everything isnt always equal. The Republican party has gone off the rails in recent years with increasingly delusional beliefs. That's one reason why the founder of Pajamas Media (guy behind the Dan Rather sting) left the GOP and now runs a site devoted to showing how crazy Republicans have become. Check out LittleGreenFootballs.com, which showcases right-wing anti-science and birther attitudes.

Zero - those "layers" are what happens when you scan a document, then convert it to PDF. I know, I know - it's just shocking that a document that was created in 1961 isn't easily converted to a digital format!

Never mind, I found the information.

The layers are a black on white layer that appears to be a scan of a document, and the green background in a separate layer. However, you don't even have to deconstruct the PDF to see the layers. Just look at the left side of the image. The scan has a kind of roll on the left side, as happens when one scans a page from a bound book. Presumably the original has pages that are bound together. The green background doesn't have the roll. It's obviously not part of what was originally scanned.

That's hardly surprising, since Hawaii probably wasn't using that green background for their official papers back in 1961. Probably the bound copy is on regular white paper.

The most likely thing that happened was that the original was copied onto the green paper, and and the result scanned to make the PDF. The PDF has layers because modern scanning and photo editing software separates things - like the different black and green colors - into layers. That's likely also why the PDF has random letters and glyphs in it - you can find plenty of PDFs scanned from old paper documents where the text has been automatically extracted, for example on Google Books.

Here's more information from the National Review - not exactly a source that would be expected to be supportive of Obama:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/26 ... n-goulding

For you liberals reading this - please ask yourself who is more likely to be representative of mainstream conservative thinking, a mainstream magazine like the National Review, or a few people with blogs you've never heard of before? I know the liberal press takes every opportunity to paint conservatives as wackos, but the fact is, getting your information on conservatives from liberal sources - or vice versa - is not likely to show you a very accurate image of the truth.

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the is the disection those are the two layer clever forgery or artifact of OCR?
[img][2565:2100]http://bryankeithnixon.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/birth-certificate-long-form.jpg[/img]
sorry about the distortion it is WP fault

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Wag the Dog.

Are those of you saying this is normal contending that Hawaii printed the document to PDF?

I laugh at you if you think so.

The original indeed is on white paper. When a copy is made, it is printed onto security paper. Just as if you copy a document on a copier from white paper onto colored paper in the paper supply tray.

If you scan the finished product, you don't get elements. It is scanned as a whole image.

Please read the National Review article I linked to. Apparently you do get elements when you scan & convert to PDF, or at least he did. If you don't trust him to be telling the truth, you could always try it yourself, with the relevant software.

Given the anti-birther attitude in the mainstream press I'd look to see confirmation from an independent source.

I've got a question for you, zer0onetgain - what's your beef with Obama, really? I'd say that has more to do with your grasping at straws to disprove the legitimacy of his birth certificate than any layers in the paper, or whatever.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Great to see you're a complete ignoramus when it comest to the dozens of other Republicans in Congress that have feed the Birther nonsense. And, yes, you are "crazy" enough not to realize that Birther support is so widespread in the Tea Party that Donald Trump win a plurality of Tea Partisans by pandering to Birthers.

Forty Five percent of Republicans polled don't believe Obama was born in the US. Trump was pandering to more than the birthers.

Trump is getting the attention he craves, but he is taking the attention off of other possible Republican canidates that might have the opportunity to defeat Obama.

He's Obama's best friend; he probably knows it but doesn't care.

For what reason does he have to be personally concerned about who wins the next election? I think his ego is much larger than any concern over real political consequences from his actions.

He has taken the attention off of Palin, but she is just another distraction, and yet another friend of Obama, in his efforts to win re-election.

I'm sure Trump is a hero to many of those 45 percent who support Trump, in forcing Obamas hand. A result may be even more support for Trump from that forty-five percent. And, an even greater potential for Obama to secure a win in the next election.

Trump and Palin are getting what they want, but it may make it more likely that their supporters get the person they don't want.

The original of that document belongs in the National Archives, in place of the Declaration of Independence, which has now lost prominence.

So, his mom was only 18, eh? Is anyone taking issue with her age, and with the Kenyaness of his father? Or, am I missing something?

I"ve heard negative feedback from the Birthers on those two points, but those two issues have already been determined not to a problem in determing that Obama is a US Citizen.

For what it's worth, the age of consent in Hawaii is 16.

(Imagine the below uttered in a raspy, belligerent Southern accent):

Apparently niether of you guys is over three years old. The guy who obama beat for the oval office was a guy named senator John McCain. So in the parralell universe in which mcCain is now President of the USA the obama hating birthers in this universe are the very ones living in the glass house praying that no one throws stones about birth certificates.

But the real point is that in niether universe would any sane american give a rats even if either Obama or McCain were found to be foriegn born. Its only the extreme finge that raised the issue about Obama because they already hated him from the get go and were grasping for a legal straw to oust him from the day he was elected. Why they had such an uniquely rabid hatred for him before he even started his presidency is - a good question.