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03 May 2011, 6:39 am

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I love the part where the 'victim' says she is a 'devout Catholic', as her husband threatens some women with a shotgun. is that what the church teaches now?

Whoa! I thought you had said you were going to pray for everybody involved in that ordeal! Mockery just somehow does not seem to fit that bill!

If the churches were really doing their job this wouldn't have happened. Their church is suppose to teach people what being a Christian is really all about ...

Ah, now I understand: Those people had forgotten to first promise to pray for the people they would later mock. :oops:

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03 May 2011, 6:46 am

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... forcing her husband to react the way he did.

Ah yes, and as Flip used to say, "Those devils made me do it!"

Come on, lady ...

@ kxmode: In any case, and JWs or not, and if we had happened to be in the same assembly at the time, you would have gotten quite an ass-chewing out of me ...

Lee.... I think maybe you've had too much sugar today. You're criticizing everyone... the knockers, the gun-toters, the poster.... and it's just kind of making you look a bit like a :twisted:

snarky ass. :evil:

Maybe a little nap will make you feel better. :thumright:

We might have to clearly-define the term and the application of "criticism" here ...

... but overall, I was doing nothing more than offering a real-life analysis for any interested party to consider. :wink:

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03 May 2011, 6:53 am

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Lee just enjoys debating with hopeless causes, he knows he is not going to accomplish anything.

Yeah, but that sure does help in trying to keep the mind sharp!

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03 May 2011, 7:01 am

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Let us null the religious stuff. There are two women in your house, And they don't want to leave ...
That is an invasion of your home. And it does not matter what the reasons they had to invade your home or what reasons you had not to want them. It does not change that it was an invasion. Shooting a gun is disproportionate retribution, but the article mentions nothing about the guy aiming at them when shooting the gun and they were no injuries. I'd say firing a gun to scare invaders away is one of your few resources to defend your house.

That works for me, but you had better be outside the city limits and in a county with an understanding sheriff.

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What these two specific witnesses were doing was invading homes of people they knew did not want to be preached ... (italic added)

When I told my wife about this story and thread, the first thing she said was just like that: "Preying on the elderly."

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03 May 2011, 7:07 am

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It is threatening and a show of force because you need to defend your home.

Even if they stay at the front of your door yelling stuff at you it is at the very least harassment.

I agree.. Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts can be a little pushy with their cute little uniforms and tasty treats.. Next time they try to sweet talk me when I've said no, should I just fire a shot into the ground to scare them off?

Nah, just show 'em your well-used paintball gun ...

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03 May 2011, 7:14 am

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If the churches were really doing their job ...

... if the churches were doing there job, I wouldn't be repeatedly annoyed by religious people knocking at my door at 8am on Saturday morning twice a month trying to hand me leaflets or wearing white shirts and ties asking to come inside my home.

I've gone out in service most of my life and I have never heard of any witnesses knocking on doors at 8 in the morning. In fact we meet for field service on Saturdays at 9:30am and don't actually start until 10. When you say we come knocking on your door at 8am on Saturday morning you're perpetuating one of the many lies people say about us.

Some folks in an area where I used to live must have been skipping those "field service" meetings. Just like Mox has shared, I could regularly anticipate their early-morning arrivals.

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03 May 2011, 10:52 am

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If the churches were really doing their job ...

Some folks in an area where I used to live must have been skipping those "field service" meetings. Just like Mox has shared, I could regularly anticipate their early-morning arrivals.

The apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 14:40 writes: "But let all things take place decently and by arrangement." The arrangement for house-to-house field ministry on the weekends always starts at 9:30am. Witnesses who start before 9:00am are doing street witnessing. They talk with people at bus stops, or grocery stores, but never door-to-door at 8 am.

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03 May 2011, 11:07 am

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I take you at your word there. My only truly-factual recollection is that the witnesses used to regularly show up and knock on my door while I was yet sleeping after having been out doing my own kind of "witnessing" at a midnight A.A. meeting in Key West -- typically until around at least 2AM -- and then driving 25 miles back up to Summerland Key and going to bed.

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03 May 2011, 1:39 pm

This incident has pretty much been discussed to death and I think it is time to let this thread die. Of all the ideas of what the man should have done that have been made so far the garden hose is probably the best. It just occurred to me though that even better than that would be to use the one between his legs. That would have really encouraged them to increase their speed; don't you think? :twisted:

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03 May 2011, 1:50 pm

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they would just sue as in theory urine is a biohazard, even think there has been some precedent with spit.
super soaker and stinkbombs could be great fun too

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03 May 2011, 2:13 pm

I don't think so. Granted they could file a misdemeanor complaint for indecent exposure but I don't think they would have a personal claim if he was doing it on his own property and their feet weren't supposed to be there. :lol:

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03 May 2011, 2:17 pm

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Could anyone else see him indecently exposing himself though? What if the neighbours saw… etc?

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03 May 2011, 2:36 pm

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Sorry, but it seems to me the religious stuff is obfuscating things in this case. It is a shame the man got arrested for harassment, because well... Let us null the religious stuff. There are two women in your house, And they don't want to leave. What exactly do you do? That is an invasion of your home. And it does not matter what the reasons they had to invade your home or what reasons you had not to want them. It does not change that it was an invasion. Shooting a gun is disproportionate retribution, but the article mentions nothing about the guy aiming at them when shooting the gun and they were no injuries. I'd say firing a gun to scare invaders away is one of your few resources to defend your house.

They could've called the cops since they were a nuisance rather than a threat. Warning shots are absolutely irresponsible and it's stupid s**t like this that allows the gun control lobby to further their agenda. Not only that, but there's a risk of em ricocheting. You don't point your gun at anything unless you intend to destroy it, that is one of the basic rules of gun safety. Yes they probably didn't point it at em, but they were pointing it at their general direction. This is why you're supposed to keep your gun pointed downrange at a shooting range rather than just keeping your gun pointed at anywhere but other people.

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06 May 2011, 11:37 am

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How dare you accuse me of lying? Because you weren't at my door, you did nothing wrong. That also means you didn't see the people who were. At EIGHT IN THE MOTHER-EFFING MORNING. I've also seen them loitering at donut shop entrances anywhere from 6am-8am, stopping people as they enter the business.

The next time you get a door slammed in your face and put on the puppy-dog eyes, wondering why the big bad heathen homeowner was so rude to you... consider that you're not the first person to knock on their door, and that not everyone follows the rules you claim to follow (clearly, based on the article you linked), so you don't what experience they've had. Furthermore, try to keep in mind that people don't want to be converted at their damned door, and that it's not my (or any random homeowner's) job to help you get into "heaven".

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