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07 May 2011, 6:25 pm

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We don't have the same capabilities, we have the same opportunities.

Continue with your way of thinking-if it makes you happy and achieves the results you want.

Maybe being ignorant and judgemental makes you happier. Good for f***ing you. It doesn't make others happier.


Ignorant and judgmental?


What world do you live in where everyone has "the same opportunities". That is quite possibly the most ignorant thing I've heard in my entire life. Absolutely zero connection with reality. Maybe if you could sell me some of that stuff you're smoking I'd be a lot happier too.
There's a difference between opportunities and outcomes. Opportunities can be guaranteed but not outcomes.

Neither can be guaranteed.



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07 May 2011, 6:37 pm

marshall wrote:
AceOfSpades wrote:
marshall wrote:
AceOfSpades wrote:
marshall wrote:
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Noob wrote:
We don't have the same capabilities, we have the same opportunities.

Continue with your way of thinking-if it makes you happy and achieves the results you want.
Exactly.

f**k you.
I love you too.

What justification do you have for agreeing with Noobs BS assumptions about me with zero evidence?
Such as? The fact that he thinks your line of thought is detrimental warrants a tantrum?

It's people like you who wish to live in weed smoking libertarian la la land where "everyone" has "the same" opportunities that's detrimental to the health of others. I'm sorry, but there's only so much Yoda talk I can take.

I recognize that I've had a lot of opportunities that others do not have. I also have some severe struggles that others do not. I'm not going to take situations and circumstances for granted and make insulting assumptions about the efforts of others to get by in this life.
Well if you can't take what you call "Yoda talk" then why are you standing in the kitchen if you can't take the heat? Yoda talk goes in one ear and outta my ass since it isn't even worth going out the other. Work yourself up to a frenzy all you want, I'm sticking to my guns and I'm not abandoning my principles just cuz of some friction. My principles aren't merely grounded on castles built on sand.

marshall wrote:
AceOfSpades wrote:
marshall wrote:
Noob wrote:
marshall wrote:
Noob wrote:
We don't have the same capabilities, we have the same opportunities.

Continue with your way of thinking-if it makes you happy and achieves the results you want.

Maybe being ignorant and judgemental makes you happier. Good for f***ing you. It doesn't make others happier.


Ignorant and judgmental?


What world do you live in where everyone has "the same opportunities". That is quite possibly the most ignorant thing I've heard in my entire life. Absolutely zero connection with reality. Maybe if you could sell me some of that stuff you're smoking I'd be a lot happier too.
There's a difference between opportunities and outcomes. Opportunities can be guaranteed but not outcomes.

Neither can be guaranteed.
What exactly restricts access to colleges or universities provided that anyone can get a scholarship?



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07 May 2011, 6:41 pm

marshall wrote:
Neither can be guaranteed.



Are you confusing opportunity, ability and potential?



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07 May 2011, 8:13 pm

AceOfSpades wrote:
marshall wrote:
AceOfSpades wrote:
marshall wrote:
AceOfSpades wrote:
marshall wrote:
AceOfSpades wrote:
Noob wrote:
We don't have the same capabilities, we have the same opportunities.

Continue with your way of thinking-if it makes you happy and achieves the results you want.
Exactly.

f**k you.
I love you too.

What justification do you have for agreeing with Noobs BS assumptions about me with zero evidence?
Such as? The fact that he thinks your line of thought is detrimental warrants a tantrum?

It's people like you who wish to live in weed smoking libertarian la la land where "everyone" has "the same" opportunities that's detrimental to the health of others. I'm sorry, but there's only so much Yoda talk I can take.

I recognize that I've had a lot of opportunities that others do not have. I also have some severe struggles that others do not. I'm not going to take situations and circumstances for granted and make insulting assumptions about the efforts of others to get by in this life.
Well if you can't take what you call "Yoda talk" then why are you standing in the kitchen if you can't take the heat? Yoda talk goes in one ear and outta my ass since it isn't even worth going out the other. Work yourself up to a frenzy all you want, I'm sticking to my guns and I'm not abandoning my principles just cuz of some friction. My principles aren't merely grounded on castles built on sand.

You certainly have not shown that they are not built on sand. You really don't have any rational defense for your rash and simplistic generalizations. Maybe they make it easier for you to accept the world, but that is a purely egocentric rationalization.

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AceOfSpades wrote:
marshall wrote:
Noob wrote:
marshall wrote:
Noob wrote:
We don't have the same capabilities, we have the same opportunities.

Continue with your way of thinking-if it makes you happy and achieves the results you want.

Maybe being ignorant and judgemental makes you happier. Good for f***ing you. It doesn't make others happier.


Ignorant and judgmental?


What world do you live in where everyone has "the same opportunities". That is quite possibly the most ignorant thing I've heard in my entire life. Absolutely zero connection with reality. Maybe if you could sell me some of that stuff you're smoking I'd be a lot happier too.
There's a difference between opportunities and outcomes. Opportunities can be guaranteed but not outcomes.

Neither can be guaranteed.
What exactly restricts access to colleges or universities provided that anyone can get a scholarship?

Not everyone can get a scholarship. I should know as I actually went through the process and won several scholarships. While I worked hard in my academic career, I accept that not all others have the same academic abilities as me and should pursue other options in life for the sake of their own well-being. Also, not everyone is born in a country with a strong university system or subsidized scholarships. Scholarships aren't exactly free either. While some are industry sponsored, the majority are paid partially or fully by tax dollars. In other words, someone had to sacrifice some tax dollars to give someone else an opportunity that wouldn't otherwise exist.



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07 May 2011, 8:19 pm

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Neither can be guaranteed.



Are you confusing opportunity, ability and potential?

Define them however you want. Nothing is guaranteed in the real world. Not even your existence is guaranteed within 24 hours. You could never wake up tomorrow.



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07 May 2011, 8:47 pm

marshall wrote:
Noob wrote:
marshall wrote:
Neither can be guaranteed.



Are you confusing opportunity, ability and potential?

Define them however you want. Nothing is guaranteed in the real world. Not even your existence is guaranteed within 24 hours. You could never wake up tomorrow.


True. But you can significantly improve your chances. People who don't believe they can often never try and never succeed.

And (some of) the people that try and don't succeed, don't know where they went wrong and don't know how to improve their chances to try again. Many give up because 'they are not good enough' (or so they think).

I would also say, there are people from third world countries that have done very well for themselves and have gone through a lot in order to achieve their goals. Even if they have to move to another country. Many more could, but don't.



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07 May 2011, 10:30 pm

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Lets say there are two people. They both work for minimum wage and although they aren't entirely happy, they are content because they provide for their families.

They both face problems that come from not having enough money. Everything from their car breaking down-causing them stress and money they can't afford to spend, worries about paying bills ect. To healthcare, christmas and holidays ect.

They both really need a more reliable car. One of them buys a new car, but the other person spends their money by going back to school, spends 3 years sacrificing his time and works hard to get the education they need to get a better job. 10 years down the line, one of them is still on minimum wage and the other (through A LOT of hard work) is earning 100k a year.

The person on minimum wage sees the rich 'lucky' person and resents them because he has to struggle to pay the bills whilst the rich person has savings, drives a nice car, has good healthcare, Christmases and holidays. A better quality of life and standard of living.

Who do you have more respect for?



Ooooh, what a cross the Rich must bear. This is why I liken this to a religion. Gods to whom we must sacrifice always sacrifice to us, and that sacrifice obliges us to sacrifice to them, to worship them. That was one of the reasons that the Aztecs cut out so many hearts at the temples in Tenochtitlan. The rich are all-powerful, they are untouchable, they are superior, and they suffered horribly to become rich. That's really what we're told always. That describes a god perfectly.



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07 May 2011, 10:33 pm

Noob wrote:
marshall wrote:
Noob wrote:
marshall wrote:
Neither can be guaranteed.



Are you confusing opportunity, ability and potential?

Define them however you want. Nothing is guaranteed in the real world. Not even your existence is guaranteed within 24 hours. You could never wake up tomorrow.


True. But you can significantly improve your chances. People who don't believe they can often never try and never succeed.

And (some of) the people that try and don't succeed, don't know where they went wrong and don't know how to improve their chances to try again. Many give up because 'they are not good enough' (or so they think).

I would also say, there are people from third world countries that have done very well for themselves and have gone through a lot in order to achieve their goals. Even if they have to move to another country. Many more could, but don't.
Learned helplessness is the biggest barrier of em all. It's not just the lack of initiative, but how underdeveloped their development is as a result of neglect.



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07 May 2011, 10:37 pm

The more unequal the society, the higher the hurdles, and the more people will be discouraged and give up. The Right says that this is a necessary process to weed out most people and worthy people will emerge who can overcome these obstacles. That person will be considered to be worthy, a superior person. The others deserve destruction.



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07 May 2011, 11:15 pm

AceOfSpades wrote:
Noob wrote:
marshall wrote:
Noob wrote:
marshall wrote:
Neither can be guaranteed.



Are you confusing opportunity, ability and potential?

Define them however you want. Nothing is guaranteed in the real world. Not even your existence is guaranteed within 24 hours. You could never wake up tomorrow.


True. But you can significantly improve your chances. People who don't believe they can often never try and never succeed.

And (some of) the people that try and don't succeed, don't know where they went wrong and don't know how to improve their chances to try again. Many give up because 'they are not good enough' (or so they think).

I would also say, there are people from third world countries that have done very well for themselves and have gone through a lot in order to achieve their goals. Even if they have to move to another country. Many more could, but don't.
Learned helplessness is the biggest barrier of em all. It's not just the lack of initiative, but how underdeveloped their development is as a result of neglect.

Yea. These people are all the victims of their own learned helplessness.
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08 May 2011, 12:21 am

I'm sure you are the first one to help them?

I'm also sure they b*tch about how lucky, ignorant and pessimistic you are too.


Do they look helpless? And how did they get that way? It wasn't through proper education...



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08 May 2011, 12:37 am

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The more unequal the society, the higher the hurdles, and the more people will be discouraged and give up. The Right says that this is a necessary process to weed out most people and worthy people will emerge who can overcome these obstacles. That person will be considered to be worthy, a superior person. The others deserve destruction.

Not everyone subscribes to such a shallow and hierarchical view of the world. The very idea of "success" in our society is destructive. It especially bothers me how things are always treated as a means to an end rather than ends in themselves. Education has no intrinsic value other than being tool to allow one to make more money. Innate curiosity is to be frowned upon as are all interests and hobbies that are not "practical" enough in terms of applying to a money-making career. This is the American Way (TM). In reality though, there is nothing wrong with not wanting to become wealthy. It doesn't make one inferior. Often the most "ambitious" people turn out to be boring yuppie a**holes.



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08 May 2011, 12:49 am

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I'm sure you are the first one to help them?

Bad deflection attempt. Like you really give a s**t. :roll:

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I'm also sure they b*tch about how lucky, ignorant and pessimistic you are too.

You're not even making sense.

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Do they look helpless? And how did they get that way? It wasn't through proper education...

Why don't you go start a school where you can preach to them about overcoming their "learned helplessness".



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08 May 2011, 1:10 am

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Yea. These people are all the victims of their own learned helplessness.
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Hmm, those people appear to be starving, which makes it highly likely that they are victims of political corruption since natural famines have effectively been eliminated in this day and age. People don't go hungry anymore because of a lack of food, they do so because it's to someone's advantage to deny them food.


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08 May 2011, 1:39 am

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Yea. These people are all the victims of their own learned helplessness.
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Hmm, those people appear to be starving, which makes it highly likely that they are victims of political corruption since natural famines have effectively been eliminated in this day and age. People don't go hungry anymore because of a lack of food, they do so because it's to someone's advantage to deny them food.

Most likely they are displaced war refugees. That's when most mass starvations happen these days.



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08 May 2011, 7:09 am

marshall wrote:
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I'm sure you are the first one to help them?

Bad deflection attempt. Like you really give a sh**. :roll:

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I'm also sure they b*tch about how lucky, ignorant and pessimistic you are too.

You're not even making sense.

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Do they look helpless? And how did they get that way? It wasn't through proper education...

Why don't you go start a school where you can preach to them about overcoming their "learned helplessness".[/quote




I do care. I might help them. I may have a way to help them. Just some NTs standing in my way.

Don't pretend you know me.