marshall wrote:
Ancalagon wrote:
marshall wrote:
Ancalagon wrote:
I never said it was without delay. You said that nobody from a poor town could go to college or escape poverty. That's not true.
Actually he never said that. This is the problem with "debates" such as this. People don't bother to address anything other than the strawmen they make up. It's like you're not even trying.
This is what he said:
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They were born poor, and they will remain poor or at best middle-class for the rest of their lives.
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If you're born in the slums, there is very little way out.
If I misrepresented his position, it was not by much.
There is actually a vast difference between "impossible" and "very unlikely", so you did in fact misrepresent his position.
I can see how it would be easy to make that mistake, though, so I wouldn't attribute this to deliberate misrepresentation of any kind.
My claim "They were born poor, and they will remain poor or at best middle-class for the rest of their lives" referred specifically to the residents of the impoverished town to the north (most of the people I knew from that town were white, in case someone wants to pull a race card again). I don't know of anyone from that area who has managed to get to being wealthy. Even if they take the military way out, and are lucky enough to leave the military without serious emotional or physical damage and get their education, they will typically end up attending a mediocre institution and afterwards will have, at best, a middle-class life marginally better than what their parents had. Part of the issue there was that that school district is in shambles, and doesn't prepare students to be able to compete at the university level, so their chances of rising through education are already just about shot.
From "very little way out" to "no way out" is an obvious enough distinction. And I've already stated that I don't think the military way out is an acceptable way of claiming that there is equality of opportunity here.
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