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19 Aug 2011, 6:37 pm

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So I guess Inuyasha wants College students to burn their bibles because it promotes evil socialized medicine.


The Bible doesn't promote socialized medicine. Choosing to help someone with your own time and money, is not the same as spending somebody else's money.


The Cohanim (Priests) of Ancient Israel were supported by compulsory taxation.

Where ever there is government there is taxation.

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19 Aug 2011, 6:39 pm

That is not what the Bible teaches. The Bible clearly teaches that in Ancient Israel a tithe or a ten percent tax was imposed which went to the Levitical Priesthood. One of their Priestly duties was the practice of medicine which they had to offer at no further charge than the tithe which is based on ones ability to pay. Thus everyone in Ancient Israel had universal coverage. We do not understand this because today the Medical Profession is a separate business from most Religious Institutions.

It is funny how those on the Religious Right want to take one of our most sacred institutions which is the practice of Medicine and prostitute it out to the forces of a market economy.



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19 Aug 2011, 6:42 pm

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That is not what the Bible teaches. The Bible clearly teaches that in Ancient Israel a tithe or a ten percent tax was imposed which went to the Levitical Priesthood. One of their Priestly duties was the practice of medicine which they had to offer at no further charge than the tithe which is based on ones ability to pay. Thus everyone in Ancient Israel had universal coverage. We do not understand this because today the Medical Profession is a separate business from most Religious Institutions.

It is funny how those on the Religious Right want to take one of our most sacred institutions which is the practice of Medicine and prostitute it out to the forces of a market economy.


I find it funny that a bunch of atheists are now trying to use the Bible to force their socialist ideology down people's throats.



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19 Aug 2011, 6:42 pm

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That is not what the Bible teaches. The Bible clearly teaches that in Ancient Israel a tithe or a ten percent tax was imposed which went to the Levitical Priesthood. One of their Priestly duties was the practice of medicine which they had to offer at no further charge than the tithe which is based on ones ability to pay. Thus everyone in Ancient Israel had universal coverage. We do not understand this because today the Medical Profession is a separate business from most Religious Institutions.

It is funny how those on the Religious Right want to take one of our most sacred institutions which is the practice of Medicine and prostitute it out to the forces of a market economy.


Pay attention. The Levites ran the courts. The Levites controlled the officers who enforced the Law (which was the Torah). The people did not have a choice. Ancient Israel was not a republic or a democracy. It was a theocracy, plain and simple. God was the ruler and the human rulers ruled in the name of God, appointed by God.

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19 Aug 2011, 6:49 pm

Inayusha look at it this way a ten percent tithe for healthy care is a form of flat tax so this should appeal to even conservatives. A progressive tax would be that poor people pay less than 10 percent and rich people pay more than 10 percent.



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19 Aug 2011, 6:51 pm

Modern Israel may not have the Levitical Priesthood in charge of health care but in the spirit of Ancient Israel they still have universal health care.



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19 Aug 2011, 6:53 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
Inayusha look at it this way a ten percent tithe for healthy care is a form of flat tax so this should appeal to even conservatives. A progressive tax would be that poor people pay less than 10 percent and rich people pay more than 10 percent.


In response how about you go swim in shark infested waters dressed as a meatloaf. While the US is built on Judeo-Christian values, we are not a theocracy. You are not entitled to the fruits of my labors, if I choose to help you, that is my decision, you have no right to demand it from me.



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19 Aug 2011, 7:01 pm

A lot of people in Ancient Israel felt the same way so they withheld their tithe and kept the money in their own pocket. Then they wondered why their economy failed.



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19 Aug 2011, 7:20 pm

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In response how about you go swim in shark infested waters dressed as a meatloaf. While the US is built on Judeo-Christian values, we are not a theocracy. You are not entitled to the fruits of my labors, if I choose to help you, that is my decision, you have no right to demand it from me.


Then where is the Judeo-Christian God mentioned in the constitution?
America was built on the values of the enlightenment and the enlightenment was secular.


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19 Aug 2011, 7:28 pm

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I never said it was without delay. You said that nobody from a poor town could go to college or escape poverty. That's not true.

Actually he never said that. This is the problem with "debates" such as this. People don't bother to address anything other than the strawmen they make up. It's like you're not even trying.

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They were born poor, and they will remain poor or at best middle-class for the rest of their lives.

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If you're born in the slums, there is very little way out.

If I misrepresented his position, it was not by much.

There is actually a vast difference between "impossible" and "very unlikely", so you did in fact misrepresent his position.



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19 Aug 2011, 7:50 pm

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I never said it was without delay. You said that nobody from a poor town could go to college or escape poverty. That's not true.

Actually he never said that. This is the problem with "debates" such as this. People don't bother to address anything other than the strawmen they make up. It's like you're not even trying.

This is what he said:
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They were born poor, and they will remain poor or at best middle-class for the rest of their lives.

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If you're born in the slums, there is very little way out.

If I misrepresented his position, it was not by much.

There is actually a vast difference between "impossible" and "very unlikely", so you did in fact misrepresent his position.

I can see how it would be easy to make that mistake, though, so I wouldn't attribute this to deliberate misrepresentation of any kind.

My claim "They were born poor, and they will remain poor or at best middle-class for the rest of their lives" referred specifically to the residents of the impoverished town to the north (most of the people I knew from that town were white, in case someone wants to pull a race card again). I don't know of anyone from that area who has managed to get to being wealthy. Even if they take the military way out, and are lucky enough to leave the military without serious emotional or physical damage and get their education, they will typically end up attending a mediocre institution and afterwards will have, at best, a middle-class life marginally better than what their parents had. Part of the issue there was that that school district is in shambles, and doesn't prepare students to be able to compete at the university level, so their chances of rising through education are already just about shot.

From "very little way out" to "no way out" is an obvious enough distinction. And I've already stated that I don't think the military way out is an acceptable way of claiming that there is equality of opportunity here.


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19 Aug 2011, 8:41 pm

Don't see any reason to join in the current debate, but the disanalogy claim here is relatively accurate.



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19 Aug 2011, 8:41 pm

Can I just pass on most of my GPA to my kids? Can my GPA be the basis of whether I can afford medical care and food and a place to live? Can college be mandatory if I want those things? Can I get a high GPA by giving some of my GPA to those who would regulate cheating, and then cheat to get a high GPA that others might get through hard work? Can I make a high GPA determine whether or not others can take certain classes, then use my GPA to create a monopoly on those classes? Also, can the GPA have a gradient where a 4.0 requires that I have many millions of subservient GPA-slaves at .000000003 GPA, who I rely on to make my GPA even possible?



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19 Aug 2011, 8:48 pm

Back to topic, it seems people that want the wealth spread around only want it spread around if it isn't their money/GPA/etc.



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19 Aug 2011, 9:15 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Back to topic, it seems people that want the wealth spread around only want it spread around if it isn't their money/GPA/etc.


Warren Buffett? Bill Gates? they want a tax raise!



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19 Aug 2011, 9:18 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Back to topic, it seems people that want the wealth spread around only want it spread around if it isn't their money/GPA/etc.


I do not think anyones GPA should be re-distributed, that is a ridiculous notion........but I think money something that is really not a messure of how hard someone works, their skills or anything like that and that people need it to buy things they need shold be re-distributed were nessisary.........yes that includes any money I would make I have no problem spreading it around if it's mine.

So I guess your theory about people such as myself only being ok with re-distribution of wealth if it, is not their money is Bullsh*t.