Is political correctness anti-scientific?
donnie_darko wrote:
Honestly I would like an apology for having my thread derailed. 

I'm sorry your thread derailed, but the tracks weren't very well spaced at the start. To return to something more concise, "political correctness" encourages or requires the denial of "falsification", and science requires the doctrine of "falsification", but that's with Karl Popper. So, by blunt use of Popper, political correctness is anti-scientific.
Tadzio
donnie_darko wrote:
Honestly I would like an apology for having my thread derailed. 

I know its against the rules but over9000 is just trolling us.
the name is a 4chan /anonymous reference as in Oprahs over 9000 penises letter.
I guess I should be telling a moderator but who can be bothered .
just don't get butthurt cuz then the trolls win

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^ Actually nope. Over 9000 is a reference to an old meme created because of something funny that happened in dragon ball Z. The Oprah thing was the result of a trick or something from anon to make her say that, I think.
over9000 wrote:
Natural? You say it is natural because 1500 species do it?
Do you realize that we are the only species that cares about sexual morality?
Do you realize that we are the only species that cares about sexual morality?
Sex is to reproduce not to be moral.
So sexual morality is unnatural (See what I did there?).
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And why do we bully others who are polygamists, incestuous, zoophiles, etc when we accept homosexuality? I have yet to see a good argument to bash someone because of a weird fetish but not for homosexuality at the same time.
consent.
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The reason homosexuality isn't natural is because it is infertile. The reason for sex is to create people. Homosexuality can't create people, so it is unnatural.
So, what do you think about infertile married couples? Should they unmarry? Go to heck? Stop having sex?
Are we being victims of Poe's law?
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I think sexuality should be limited to creating people.
Creating people highly is overrated. We do are not desperately in need of more people. The opposite actually. I can have sex with myself without creating people, I think it would be unfair to deny couples (gay or not) of that privilege.
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Vexcalibur wrote:
^ Actually nope. Over 9000 is a reference to an old meme created because of something funny that happened in dragon ball Z. The Oprah thing was the result of a trick or something from anon to make her say that, I think.
over9000 wrote:
Natural? You say it is natural because 1500 species do it?
Do you realize that we are the only species that cares about sexual morality?
Do you realize that we are the only species that cares about sexual morality?
If you parse closer I think you will see that we agree.
The point is you prolly are not conversing with a honest agent.
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Tadzio wrote:
donnie_darko wrote:
Honestly I would like an apology for having my thread derailed. 

I'm sorry your thread derailed, but the tracks weren't very well spaced at the start. To return to something more concise, "political correctness" encourages or requires the denial of "falsification", and science requires the doctrine of "falsification", but that's with Karl Popper. So, by blunt use of Popper, political correctness is anti-scientific.
Tadzio
non-scientific, according to Popper's demarcation.
ruveyn
(I had something longer but (a) you wouldn't have read it and (b) it drifted even further off-topic chasing your irrelevant pearls of wisdom)
over9000 wrote:
Flaunting it and letting it run wild sounds animallike.
Was someone flaunting it? Dang, I missed it...
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donnie_darko wrote:
DC wrote:
Race is based on skin colour (a tiny portion of our genome) and recent geography, when you take DNA samples from people all over the world and compare them something becomes very clear very quickly, almost all of the genetic diversity in the human race is to be found in Africa. A decade ago the figure was at about 90% of human genetic diversity, today it has been pushed higher as more research is undertaken in Africa and in the future will probably end up somewhere between 95%-99%.
So genetically speaking, there is Africa and then there is the rest of the planet who are practically identical to one another by comparison yet if you look at racial classification there is only one or two categories of 'black' and dozens of categories for everyone else.
The two don't correlate, race is meaningless on a broad genetic level.
Race is not 'based' on skin color. Our largely inaccurate racial categories are, but what race actually is are large populations descended from small bottlenecks. It's true that Africa has most of humanity's genetic diversity. It is also true that Africa has major cultural differences among the tribes to match up to it.
Plus quantity of diversity is not everything. Take for example, the Amazon rainforest - very diverse, but most of that diversity is stuff like bugs - in some ways it lacks things that other places have, such as large animals. African people are diverse but they do not have any groups that are say, evolved to live in the Arctic tundra, like Eskimos.
What the H are you talking about!?!?!?!?
"african tribes have cultural diversity to match their genetic diversity."
Culture doesnt come from genes. Its cultural.
"Africa doesnt have large animals"?
Have you ever heard of something called an "elephant"?
I hear that they are rather large. As are hippos, gorillas, giraffes, etc etc.
"The rainforest doesnt have groups...like eskimos."
Ofcourse not- its a rainforest- it isnt tundra.
England doesnt have Eskimos either.
What is that point supposed to prove?
ruveyn wrote:
Tadzio wrote:
donnie_darko wrote:
Honestly I would like an apology for having my thread derailed. 

I'm sorry your thread derailed, but the tracks weren't very well spaced at the start. To return to something more concise, "political correctness" encourages or requires the denial of "falsification", and science requires the doctrine of "falsification", but that's with Karl Popper. So, by blunt use of Popper, political correctness is anti-scientific.
Tadzio
non-scientific, according to Popper's demarcation.
ruveyn
No, anti-scientific based on Popper's demarcations. One of the more simple explanations is in "A Philosopher's Apprentice: in Karl Popper's workshop" By Joseph Agassi (2008), page 33: "Now, admittedly, obscurantism is still popular and it is anti-scientific by definition," page 235:"...was an error...to fuse the pseudo-scientific and the anti-scientific variants...was Popper who first distinguished the two versions...." (I remembered it from somewhere in papers from Popper).
A humourous sentence that still is in the crux, though frequently in denial, is: "In the 18th century, Enlightenment philosophers used the term "obscurantism" to denote the conservative enemies, especially the religious enemies, of progressive Enlightenment and its concept of the liberal diffusion of knowledge." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obscurantism
When the notion of "Political Correctness" left the realm of simply being uninvolved in any more physical science (remember, Spectrum use to be a range of ghosts (spectre)), such as the U.S. Supreme Court usage of the phrase with the primary recognition order of "states" versus "citizens"(try to obscure this with the phrase "political science"???), the last few decades have seen "Political Correctness" pulled inside-out, mainly by what was self-identified as "neo-conservatives", to become instead of what once was Patriotic into something now anything but Patriotic, and useful to "obscure" facts, and when these facts are otherwise, or would have been (sans the conservative purposively nonsense) used in a solid and modern science, this definitely crosses areas where the manifolds with "sciences" such of non-sciences are left and distinguished into pseudo-sciences and then distinguished into anti-sciences. Forms of the word "falsification" are clarified too, but I'll start wondering about my academic rewards. Most academic concepts are in current easy English in "The Republican War on Science" by Chris Mooney. "Science and Anti-science" by Gerald James Holton has more general politics.
"The Paranoid Style In American Politics" by Richard Hofstadter (mag version: http://www.harpers.org/archive/1964/11/0014706 ) is back in vogue with survivors from the "Patriot Act" obscurantism war against general intelligence of citizens. (or links at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Parano ... n_Politics ).
You have provided many examples.
This thread started more with a direction inherent in the book "Why Some Like It Hot: Food, Genes, and Cultural Diversity" by Gary Paul Nabhan (2004), and ended with the Gestapo "Patriots" using Pepper Spray against the slightest removal of Obscurantism involving historical events, such as The Boston Tea Party.
Tadzio
naturalplastic wrote:
What the H are you talking about!?!?!?!?
"african tribes have cultural diversity to match their genetic diversity."
Culture doesnt come from genes. Its cultural.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question
naturalplastic wrote:
"Africa doesnt have large animals"?
Have you ever heard of something called an "elephant"?
I hear that they are rather large. As are hippos, gorillas, giraffes, etc etc.
Have you ever heard of something called an "elephant"?
I hear that they are rather large. As are hippos, gorillas, giraffes, etc etc.
I didn't say Africa. I was referring to the Amazon in South America.
naturalplastic wrote:
"The rainforest doesnt have groups...like eskimos."
Ofcourse not- its a rainforest- it isnt tundra.
England doesnt have Eskimos either.
What is that point supposed to prove?
What I mean is even if Africa has the most genetic diversity, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's more diverse in every single way than other populations.