the media legitimizing Palestinian terrorism?

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i think you are forgetting that israel sits on occupied land. i think thats sorta an important point and you are missing it. the palestinian struggle to take back their country is justified. also seeing as israel has no right to be there they cannot absorb people into israel- israel is palestinian land thay have a right to be there anyway. and the arab citizens who stayed in israel are now citizens and you are painting this as an act of generosity on behalf of the israeli government? oh how nice of them to let palestinians stay in their own country the country should revert back to being palestine and there should be one secular state that allows people of both states to live together side by side. also forgetting the dehumanising treatment of palestinians in both states much? or the fact that israel continuously enroaches upon what remains of palestine and that is shrinking, fragmented territory and has been since 1948. i dont think that just because someone is not part of a state you have a right to do that to them and basically treat them like crap.



damn those palestinians for resisting the invasion of their land and the murder of their people. (sarcasm) what you are saying is submit to israeli rule or die.

also what do yo mean by those arabs dont have a habit of blowing themselves up in diners? is it an arab thing to want to do that when we are not occupied by an imperialist, colonial force? because we are barbaric, incapable of behaving civilised and are all suicide bombers or would be without the nice non-arabs to teach us how to behave properly right? damn im not like that at all- im so out of touch with my culture. please tell me you phrased that wrong and i misinterrpreted it.

Sorry but unlike you, I believe Israel has a right to exist. The other Arab Countries took the land that was supposed to be Palestine, it's not the Israelis fault for that.



Stop mischarecterizing what I'm saying. The Palestinians chose to use violence directed towards the Israeli civilians, Israel is entirely justified in taking steps to defend their people. If the Israelis were as barbaric as you claim they would have made the Arabs in their country slaves or exterminated them, and Israel has done neither.

how do you justify israels presence on palestinian land exactly? if palestine uses violence aginst israel it does so because it is defending its territory. i dont think israel is in any position to do anything except actually engage in non tokenistic dialogue with the other side and recognise that it is an imperialist force and that the land they are on was stolen. i cant see how anyone would deny that. there were people there when they decided to set up the state of israel war way back when. this issue should have been resolved long ago. a one state solution is not so bleeding difficult to enact- not so difficult that it should take decades of conflict to get to "2 state solution? maybe, no". it can not claim that any attack on the palestinian people is an act of defence because it is clearly done to maintain their hold on palestinian land and its people. it just reinforces their colonial grip on the land they occupy. also there needs to be a distinction between palestinian people and terrorist groups that attack civilians(obviously not a good thing) to liberate their country. if the state of israel cared so much about the safety of its civilians it should not have funded hamas as an alternative to the plo. the existence of either is a result of israel occupying stolen land. also consider the actions of the idf towards palestinian civilians. constant war and apartheid doesnt sound so nice to me. certain events and sections of the idf are particularly vile. the golani and gavati brigades and anything theyve done come to mind. you have a rather limited definition of oppression.

I really don't think redder meat could exist. It's like saying in the US that if a white guy went around killing other ethnicities that it wouldn't make the news.

When was the last time anti-Palestinian violence made the headlines on any of the american news sources?
Israel missile launches and Bulldozings do not make the news but they are actually more common and have higher
body counts than the suicide bombings and dime store missiles being lobbed the other way.

There is an effective media black-out on Israeli violence on all the major networks.
"liberal" to Foxcist.
American advertisers do not want people to talk poorly of Israel.

Land won in war belongs to the victor, not the vanquished. Think about aboriginal folk in North America. They lost. The land belongs now to their conquerors.

Israel is the only nation in the world that has to sue for peace after it has won a war.

ruveyn

You also forgot one important point. It is land won plus the colonists are the MAJORITY in the land won.

The British had no interest in maintaining possession of India.

The Jews are a minority in modern day Israel + occupied territories so that probably explains why things are not working out so well. Not that I'm saying that Israel has no right to exist. The Jews had a civilization in the area plus they have been persecuted throughout history.

You put your finger right on the main problem, the demographics. Israel as a "Jewish State" is doomed because the Palestinians are out breeding the Israelis. It is just a matter of time. Sixty years, tops.

ruveyn

This is why I say 2 state solution as soon as possible would be the best thing for Israel.
Sell while the stock is still worth something.

It won't be two state for long.

ruveyn

The only outcome for a one state solution (without Genocide) is not a Jewish state.

Well there is always the example of Samson. In that case a no state solution.

ruveyun

Samson was a prick.

sort of the Jewish version of Hercules or Conan the Barbarian.

Even so, he brought the Temple of Dagon down on both his head and the heads of all the Philistines (read that as Palestinians) therein.

Spite has its own quality.

ruveyn

Spite is something that the economist always forget to calculate when they calculate Pareto Optimality.

That is why Pareto Optimality is theoretic. Economics is done by flesh and blood human beings who are ruled by the passions far more than they are ruled by reason. Check out David Hume on that very subject.

ruveyn