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25 Oct 2011, 8:57 pm
Inuyasha wrote:
visagrunt wrote:
Internal conflict and Hapsburg consolidation in the 16th century served to eclipse France as the dominant European power, but this was to reverse with the Thirty Years War, from which France emerged, again, as the dominant power in Europe. She was to hold this pre-eminence until internal strife again overtook her in the late 18th century. While the loss of New France was significant, it did free the French to participate in the American revolutionary war, providing a decisive advantage against Britain.
Most of the actual fighting was done by the colonists whom would end up forming the United States of America, all you're showing here is that the French are good at getting foreigners to do their fighting for them.
Speaking of New-France, that it hold so long against England and the english colonies is in fact quite impressive.
Here a map of New-France
Impressive territory isn't it....
Now, when the seven years war broke out there was 100,000 french colonists and 2 millions english colonists; so making the frenchs outnumbered 20 by 1 while having to protect a bigger territory. More so, while England cared about it's North-Americna colonies, France simply didn't care, with consequence that french colonists had to defend themself with little and old materials. What allowed New-France to hold that long is that french colonists make themself a great number of amerindians allies and learned from them military tactics much closer of modern militaries that what was used in Europa. (English colonists stupidly didn't do that.)
There is also other things... France may have voluntary left New-France to the englishs. By giving it to England the english colonies were no busy anymore from they're traditionnal enemies, and as such were bound to rebel and claiming their independence; giving rough times for the English Empire. England played right in their hands, as the other options would have been to take over the french possesions of the Antilles, something opposed by the english sugar producers fearing more concurence.
Overall the New-France held pretty well... for more that 150 years while be outnumbered.
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Inuyasha wrote:
visagrunt wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Somewhere you are overlooking the Louisiana Purchase. The U.S. bought a good hunk of "New France" from Napoleon and paid in gold.
ruveyn
ruveyn
That serves to reinforce his point, to my mind. The British suceeded in conquering Acadia and Québec, but the territorial bulk of New France remained French until it was sold.
Actually you both have overlooked the key fact that the French lost everything east of the Mississippi River to the British, and that the Louisanna Purchase was the land west of the Mississippi River.
How did they overlook that? That doesn't even make sense. And they didn't lose everything east of the river, they still hold St Pierre et Miquelon
26 Oct 2011, 5:17 pm
26 Oct 2011, 5:17 pm
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
visagrunt wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Somewhere you are overlooking the Louisiana Purchase. The U.S. bought a good hunk of "New France" from Napoleon and paid in gold.
ruveyn
ruveyn
That serves to reinforce his point, to my mind. The British suceeded in conquering Acadia and Québec, but the territorial bulk of New France remained French until it was sold.
Actually you both have overlooked the key fact that the French lost everything east of the Mississippi River to the British, and that the Louisanna Purchase was the land west of the Mississippi River.
How did they overlook that? That doesn't even make sense. And they didn't lose everything east of the river, they still hold St Pierre et Miquelon
I was talking about in the continent of North America.
26 Oct 2011, 5:24 pm
Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
visagrunt wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Somewhere you are overlooking the Louisiana Purchase. The U.S. bought a good hunk of "New France" from Napoleon and paid in gold.
ruveyn
ruveyn
That serves to reinforce his point, to my mind. The British suceeded in conquering Acadia and Québec, but the territorial bulk of New France remained French until it was sold.
Actually you both have overlooked the key fact that the French lost everything east of the Mississippi River to the British, and that the Louisanna Purchase was the land west of the Mississippi River.
How did they overlook that? That doesn't even make sense. And they didn't lose everything east of the river, they still hold St Pierre et Miquelon
I was talking about in the continent of North America.
I'll let that one slide
as St Pierre et Miquelon are on the continental shelf but are islands so you get .5 for this question
phil brought up a good point about French North America. Another thing to consider is that they had the opposite strategy of the British. The British used their navy to ensure they wouldn't have to do major fighting on the continent, instead taking from the overseas colonies in the Americas and India. The French on the other hand had massive armies available in Europe but were unwilling to commit them overseas as all their vast borders meant invasion could come from a number of unfriendly neighbors. Thus they depended on land victories on the continent after which they would get a favorable peace treaty that gave them back their colonies. This did happen on a few occasions. The British pretty much won because they were on an island. One last thing is that the French were more interested in their possessions in the Caribbean and India which were vastly more profitable for them than their continental colonies of New France, Acadia and Louisiana
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