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27 Oct 2011, 6:46 pm

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The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

Lebanon isn't much better than Uganda when it comes to LGBT's rights.

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Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) persons living in Lebanon may face cultural, legal and social challenges not experienced by non-LGBT residents. Homosexuality remains a crime in Lebanon.
A poll done by the Pew Research Center in 2007 shows that 79% of Lebanese believe "Homosexuality should be rejected", as opposed to 18% who believe "homosexuality should be accepted".[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Lebanon

I would estimate that about 10% of the voters are LGBT themselves, leaving only 8% of the straight population who don't reject homosexuality, that means that most Christians reject gays too.

There's only one organization working for the LGBT's rights: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helem

It is indeed sad that of course this takes place I do not reject gays if I did I would reject myself I am bi-gender

Just when I think I've got you pegged, you throw me a curve ball. You certainly live up to your Joker name and icon.

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Thank you it is frustrating being transgender it's irrating feeling and thinking like both genders.

For what it's worth, my wife is bisexual, and so I have the privilege to see the world from another perspective.

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You are very lucky to be married congrats Kraichgauer

Thank you for your observation! It keeps our marriage fun and interesting, even after ten years.

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27 Oct 2011, 7:23 pm

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This is largely BS.

No it isn't.

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Israel is predominantly unstable because of the unethical practices it engages in in relation to the Occupied Territories. It would be much more rational to consider them part of Israeli proper or rename Israel after merging with the Occupied Territories and giving Palestinians in those areas full citizenship rights.

Do you want to stand there and tell the rocket-firers that they should let Israel 'dominate' them forever? That will never work. You might even end up dead.

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Girls want to have their cake and eat it too :wink:

What's the point of having a cake if you can't eat it?

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27 Oct 2011, 8:16 pm

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Because Israel is the first line of defence of the West. It is liberal democracy in an area utterly hostile towards it.

If Israel falls so too will most of Europe. And then we'll all be done for.

This is largely BS. I'm not sure how long Israel will last without reforms, but I'm rather certain the region won't be obliterated, especially since a lot of Rabble Rousing Governments in the Middle East say one thing (Don't attack Iran - Saudi Arabia) in public and do another behind closed doors (US, attack Iran - Saudi Arabia, according to Wikileaks).

Israel's neighbors have tried to wipe Israel out on more than one occassion and got their heads handed to them. We are probably going to see another attempt soon if Egypt continues on the path towards radicals controlling the country of Egypt.

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So you're basically saying Israel should just let Hamas run in and murder every Israeli... Israel behaves the way they do towards the Palestinians because of the behavior of the Palestinians. If Israel had wanted to, they could wipe out just about every Palestinian down to the last child in a matter of hours, they could have done so ever since 1967's Six Day War.

Your accusation that Israel is being unethical and treating the Palestinians poorly is a load of rubbish.

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27 Oct 2011, 8:50 pm

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Yet they've never, ever done that. I wonder why?

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27 Oct 2011, 9:12 pm

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Those days are long over. As we discussed in another thread the external military threat to Israel is minimal besides the fact that they are nuclear armed.

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So its only unethical if its a quick genocide or displacement and not a drawn out, protracted one?

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27 Oct 2011, 9:14 pm

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Those days are long over. As we discussed in another thread the external military threat to Israel is minimal besides the fact that they are nuclear armed.

Again look at the nuts that have a good chance of seizing power in Egypt.

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So its only unethical if its a quick genocide or displacement and not a drawn out, protracted one?

Considering the Palestinian population is increasing, not decreasing, if this was an attempt at genocide, it is the most incompetient attempt in World History.

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27 Oct 2011, 9:21 pm

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Again look at the nuts that have a good chance of seizing power in Egypt.

Regardless of who takes control of Egypt, the country doesn't have the capability of taking Israel on in a fight anyways, and were the first major Arab country to make peace overtones towards Israel. If anything Iran is more belligerent. Your ideas about the Middle Easterners intentions and capabilities are almost cartoonish

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Considering the Palestinian population is increasing, not decreasing, if this was an attempt at genocide, it is the most incompetient attempt in World History.

You don't think that at different times before their final push onto the reservations the native American population wasn't capable of the occasional temporary increase trend? I don't know if genocide would an accurate term thus I also said displacement which would be accurate. In fact you have even advocated displacing these people, which would only prolong the issue

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27 Oct 2011, 9:27 pm

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Again look at the nuts that have a good chance of seizing power in Egypt.

Contrary to what you would like to believe, Egypts military doesn't consist of camels.

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Considering the Palestinian population is increasing, not decreasing, if this was an attempt at genocide, it is the most incompetient attempt in World History.

Native Americans did not strap bombs to their children and use said children as explosive devices.

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27 Oct 2011, 9:32 pm

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Contrary to what you would like to believe, Egypts military doesn't consist of camels.

No s**t Inuyasha. Clearly these types of things are way over your comprehension, I have no idea why I'm wasting time re-explaining this to you

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Native Americans did not strap bombs to their children and use said children as explosive devices.

That's completely relevant, thank you

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27 Oct 2011, 9:38 pm

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Contrary to what you would like to believe, Egypts military doesn't consist of camels.

No sh** Inuyasha. Clearly these types of things are way over your comprehension, I have no idea why I'm wasting time re-explaining this to you

The Egyptian militaries was on of the strongest in the region, only Israel had a strong military (and possibly Turkey)

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Native Americans did not strap bombs to their children and use said children as explosive devices.

That's completely relevant, thank you

Also there is the fact that people tended to say the only good Indian was a dead one.

Whereas if a Palestinian woman whom is pregnent needs medical attention she will actually get flown to an Israeli hospital and receive medical care.

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27 Oct 2011, 9:40 pm

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What a load of nonsense. Even Iran has yet to attack Israel in the recent years (in spite of all the posturing the Iranian government has done against Israel to deflect attention from its own incompetence). Regardless, the military forces in the region (many funded by the US) know that an attack on Israel proper would result in US invasion.

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So you're basically saying Israel should just let Hamas run in and murder every Israeli... Israel behaves the way they do towards the Palestinians because of the behavior of the Palestinians.

So cruel and unusual punishment is okay if you're a member of a demographic group with bad apples in it? Embargoing and segregating certain populations, as well as instating "Israeli only" roads through the Occupied Territories is reprehensible.

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If Israel had wanted to, they could wipe out just about every Palestinian down to the last child in a matter of hours, they could have done so ever since 1967's Six Day War.

Your accusation that Israel is being unethical and treating the Palestinians poorly is a load of rubbish.

Not committing genocide (especially if your state was founded thanks to the UN rather recently) and behaving ethically are two distinct things.

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27 Oct 2011, 9:44 pm

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The Egyptian militaries was on of the strongest in the region, only Israel had a strong military (and possibly Turkey)

It is the strongest in Africa and definitely one of the strongest in the region, but it is also composed of less advanced hardware (though they do have a fair share of modern equipment). Most importantly they don't have WMDs like the Israelis

The most important thing you're overlooking (asides the WMDs) is that the United States would military intervene on Israel's behalf in the blink of an eye

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Also there is the fact that people tended to say the only good Indian was a dead one.

I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at here, though I don't condone the treatment Amerindians received, they also did give back, there were many massacres of white settlers. So maybe they didn't strap bombs to their chests but it was definitely a brutal time to live in

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Whereas if a Palestinian woman whom is pregnent needs medical attention she will actually get flown to an Israeli hospital and receive medical care.

I'm not anti-Israel if that is what you assume, I am a supporter of every Humans right to self determination, no exceptions. That includes Israel and Palestine.

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27 Oct 2011, 9:59 pm

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The Egyptian militaries was on of the strongest in the region, only Israel had a strong military (and possibly Turkey)

I doubt the current President would intervene to help Israel, and many Israelis share the same belief I'm stating.

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Also there is the fact that people tended to say the only good Indian was a dead one.

Generally the Native Americans didn't slaughter young children.

Vigilans wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

Whereas if a Palestinian woman whom is pregnent needs medical attention she will actually get flown to an Israeli hospital and receive medical care.

I'm not anti-Israel if that is what you assume, I am a supporter of every Humans right to self determination, no exceptions. That includes Israel and Palestine.

What the Israelis are doing is actually taking steps to protect themselves from nuts trying to blow themselves up in order to get 70 sex slaves.

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27 Oct 2011, 10:06 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

Vigilans wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

The Egyptian militaries was on of the strongest in the region, only Israel had a strong military (and possibly Turkey)

I doubt the current President would intervene to help Israel, and many Israelis share the same belief I'm stating.

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Inuyasha wrote:

Also there is the fact that people tended to say the only good Indian was a dead one.

Generally the Native Americans didn't slaughter young children.

Vigilans wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

Whereas if a Palestinian woman whom is pregnent needs medical attention she will actually get flown to an Israeli hospital and receive medical care.

I'm not anti-Israel if that is what you assume, I am a supporter of every Humans right to self determination, no exceptions. That includes Israel and Palestine.

What the Israelis are doing is actually taking steps to protect themselves from nuts trying to blow themselves up in order to get 70 sex slaves.

Yes, yes President Obama would come to defend Israel. You conservatives are believing your own Anti-Obama propaganda.

Who the hell says Indians never killed young children?

And not every Muslim is a religious fanatic.

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27 Oct 2011, 10:14 pm

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And not every Muslim is a religious fanatic.

Let's just say it's a much larger minority than many leftists would have us believe.

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27 Oct 2011, 10:20 pm

Tequila wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

And not every Muslim is a religious fanatic.

Let's just say it's a much larger minority than many leftists would have us believe.

regardless, it's not every Muslim.

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