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02 Nov 2011, 4:14 pm
ruveyn wrote:
femme wrote:
I also want him to explain as a Jew my religion teaches that both men and women where created as equals.
How so? The man was made from the dust of the earth and Havah was made by be cut out of Adam's side. Different modes of manufacture.
ruveyn
In traditional Judaism, women are for the most part seen as separate but equal. Women's obligations and responsibilities are different from men's, but no less important (in fact, in some ways, women's responsibilities are considered more important, as we shall see).
But why am I telling you this you are already know that
02 Nov 2011, 4:20 pm
femme wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
femme wrote:
I also want him to explain as a Jew my religion teaches that both men and women where created as equals.
How so? The man was made from the dust of the earth and Havah was made by be cut out of Adam's side. Different modes of manufacture.
ruveyn
In traditional Judaism, women are for the most part seen as separate but equal. Women's obligations and responsibilities are different from men's, but no less important (in fact, in some ways, women's responsibilities are considered more important, as we shall see).
But why am I telling you this you are already know that
Lilith was the woman that was created equal and she is the mother of Monsters and Belgians.
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02 Nov 2011, 4:26 pm
JakobVirgil wrote:
femme wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
femme wrote:
I also want him to explain as a Jew my religion teaches that both men and women where created as equals.
How so? The man was made from the dust of the earth and Havah was made by be cut out of Adam's side. Different modes of manufacture.
ruveyn
In traditional Judaism, women are for the most part seen as separate but equal. Women's obligations and responsibilities are different from men's, but no less important (in fact, in some ways, women's responsibilities are considered more important, as we shall see).
But why am I telling you this you are already know that
Lilith was the woman that was created equal and she is the mother of Monsters and Belgians.
Lilith is similar to and probably based on a pagan demon named Lulu or Lilu that appears in Gilgamesh and other Sumerian and Babylonian folklore.
02 Nov 2011, 4:57 pm
femme wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
femme wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
femme wrote:
I also want him to explain as a Jew my religion teaches that both men and women where created as equals.
How so? The man was made from the dust of the earth and Havah was made by be cut out of Adam's side. Different modes of manufacture.
ruveyn
In traditional Judaism, women are for the most part seen as separate but equal. Women's obligations and responsibilities are different from men's, but no less important (in fact, in some ways, women's responsibilities are considered more important, as we shall see).
But why am I telling you this you are already know that
Lilith was the woman that was created equal and she is the mother of Monsters and Belgians.
Lilith is similar to and probably based on a pagan demon named Lulu or Lilu that appears in Gilgamesh and other Sumerian and Babylonian folklore.
Lulu?
I think Lilith is a story to help fix the contradiction between
ויברָא אלֹהים ׀ את־האדם בצלמו בצלם אלהִ֖ים ברָ֣א אתו זכר ונקבה ברָא אתם
and
ויבן יהוָה אלֹהים ׀ את־הצלע אשר־לקח מן־האדם לאשה ויבאה אל־האדם
the tension between Jahwist and Elohist first parent stories.
Ellipses are where all the best stories come from.
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02 Nov 2011, 5:00 pm
JakobVirgil wrote:
femme wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
femme wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
femme wrote:
I also want him to explain as a Jew my religion teaches that both men and women where created as equals.
How so? The man was made from the dust of the earth and Havah was made by be cut out of Adam's side. Different modes of manufacture.
ruveyn
In traditional Judaism, women are for the most part seen as separate but equal. Women's obligations and responsibilities are different from men's, but no less important (in fact, in some ways, women's responsibilities are considered more important, as we shall see).
But why am I telling you this you are already know that
Lilith was the woman that was created equal and she is the mother of Monsters and Belgians.
Lilith is similar to and probably based on a pagan demon named Lulu or Lilu that appears in Gilgamesh and other Sumerian and Babylonian folklore.
Lulu?
I think Lilith is a story to help fix the contradiction between
ויברָא אלֹהים ׀ את־האדם בצלמו בצלם אלהִ֖ים ברָ֣א אתו זכר ונקבה ברָא אתם
and
ויבן יהוָה אלֹהים ׀ את־הצלע אשר־לקח מן־האדם לאשה ויבאה אל־האדם
the tension between Jahwist and Elohist first parent stories.
Ellipses are where all the best stories come from.
This revisionist view of Lilith is based primarily on a work called the Alphabet of Ben Sira, which portrays Lilith as Adam's first wife who was rejected because she wanted to be on top during sexual intercourse. Lilith was replaced with Eve, a more submissive second wife.
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03 Nov 2011, 1:51 pm
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
femme wrote:
This revisionist view of Lilith is based primarily on a work called the Alphabet of Ben Sira, which portrays Lilith as Adam's first wife who was rejected because she wanted to be on top during sexual intercourse. Lilith was replaced with Eve, a more submissive second wife.
Do you think they may have been trying to paint her up as their version of the demiurge?
I'm not sure I would have to ask my Rabbi, next time I do to temple
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