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15 Nov 2011, 11:57 pm

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Can one tell another he doesn't know God?


Lets answer the question with a question. Will you tell Muslims, Hindus, pagans, etc. that they don't know God?

Yes. Most Christians will tell people of other faiths they don't know God.


I have asked them to tell me about their God. Most people are kind of reluctant, and just kind of gloss over what they believe.


I did say 'most' Christians because I am aware that a few will accept others religious beliefs. One of the few being the quakers. (at least the FGC and the FUM, but not the evangelical friends.) I know a quaker who keeps the Ramadan fast. But as a whole most Christians will deny people of other faiths know God.


Heck, some of them think mormons perform animal sacrifice in their temples


Pffft, those poor misinformed fools. Everyone knows they only sacrifice people


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16 Nov 2011, 12:49 am

It seems to me that this individual that claims to be your best friend is messing up with your mind. apparently when no one else is looking the guy appears and hangs out with you, but when we look away he hides, making you look insane. Why he does this is beyond me but you two probably need couples therapy.


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16 Nov 2011, 1:01 am

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It seems to me that this individual that claims to be your best friend is messing up with your mind. apparently when no one else is looking the guy appears and hangs out with you, but when we look away he hides, making you look insane. Why he does this is beyond me but you two probably need couples therapy.


It sort of makes it seem that this "friend" doesn't really respect him.



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16 Nov 2011, 5:15 am

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Wow, faith-robbers are really enthusiastic!

Faith-robbers really? Are you just trying to demonize the opposition now?

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I'm usually told by atheists that their belief is not something they are passionate about, but I guess I was wrong.
What atheists? Also how were the guys above passionate? Also why shouldn't people be passionate in something they reason?

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And I didn't realize I was crying.

Nobody above said anything above this post I am quoting about crying. You're lying.

The rest of this is pathetic nonsense.



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16 Nov 2011, 5:17 am

shrox wrote:
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Can one tell another he doesn't know God?


Lets answer the question with a question. Will you tell Muslims, Hindus, pagans, etc. that they don't know God?

Yes. Most Christians will tell people of other faiths they don't know God.

I have asked them to tell me about their God. Most people are kind of reluctant, and just kind of gloss over what they believe.

Aye, with good reason.



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16 Nov 2011, 9:20 am

Ragtime making a thread about himself and his glorified murder-rape war chief... Dare I reply?



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16 Nov 2011, 9:40 am

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Can one tell another he doesn't know God?


What is 'god'? Looks like a bunch of nonsense gibberish.



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16 Nov 2011, 10:00 am

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Ragtime making a thread about himself and his glorified murder-rape war chief... Dare I reply?

Now now. God can be a good idea. It's just that I doubt any NT religion even comes close to a good definition of a God, as in ever. For starters these Gods seems more based in confirmation bias-dependent politics than any actual semblance of a real moral system of any good repute.



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16 Nov 2011, 10:03 am

Did I hear mormon bashing? : http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... -mentality


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16 Nov 2011, 11:37 am

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Ragtime making a thread about himself and his glorified murder-rape war chief... Dare I reply?

Now now. God can be a good idea. It's just that I doubt any NT religion even comes close to a good definition of a God, as in ever. For starters these Gods seems more based in confirmation bias-dependent politics than any actual semblance of a real moral system of any good repute.


Yes, a god can be good. His however, is not. And he sticks up for his evils! Can't f****n stand people like that.



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16 Nov 2011, 11:42 am

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The rest of you -- you just make your atheism look like a joke, merely something to troll people with.

I am sorry but I fail to see any reasonable argument from your side. And honestly, without any trolling intentions, I would really really love to. I fail to understand any faith at all - it is so odd to me that it hurts. And it hurts even more when I look back at history and see all the evil that came from people blinded by faith. And when I look how religious people are holding back science. And how they are trying to deny evolution, women's rights, freedom to choose, homosexuality, right to abortion...And how they argue which one of gods is true one, how they quote something from the Bible to prove their point to someone who does not validate Bible as a source. Now I am not saying that some of this applies to you/or that it doesn't - I am just trying to paint my perspective on religion. I wish I was so outspoken that I could sum it up in fancy terms. Luckily I avoided religious propaganda while growing up (and ignored political one).

So could you please help me to understand it in such terms that would enable me to (without quoting Bible, that is)? The way I see it it all boils down to cultural circumstances one was born in, is absolutely relative and ir is impossible to prove/deny(I'm not sure about the latter one). It is much more close to an imaginary friend which's power is actually quite great on the person than something that is stated in one of those books (psychology is amazing - it explains the phenomena of faith quite trasparently).

I certainly don't need a lengthy story, just please entangle this perpetual contradiction for me. On the other hand I would gladly hear your stand on which is the true religion, atheism, agnosticism, science, evolution, possibility that religious people might be wrong and idea of what counts as a valid proof - maybe religion doesn't need one? How so, then? Why isn't it relative then? This is just so puzzling. :huh: :shrug:



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16 Nov 2011, 1:13 pm

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Yes, a god can be good. His however, is not. And he sticks up for his evils! Can't f**** stand people like that.

And can and is are different things. It's also so duplicitious, that God.



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16 Nov 2011, 1:26 pm

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Bravo! Primo! Dawkins tells his antagonist (very politely) that he is barking mad. Perfect!

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16 Nov 2011, 7:00 pm

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...Allow me to turn a phrase at this point: Stop shoving your irreligion down my throat.

As soon as you stop shoving your religion down ours.

Religion is the socio-political expression of faith, and faith proves nothing. Therefore, religion is much ado about nothing.


But nothing contains everything, so isn't it at least as important as something?