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Inuyasha
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15 Nov 2011, 9:29 pm

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Sorry but the way government is spending money, I have every right to protest being taxed.

Only if you aren't a true Christian.

Excuse me?!?!? Are you saying I'm somehow not a Christian cause I don't agree with you politically?

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The way the tax system is set up right now is dangerous because about 50% of Americans don't pay Federal Income Taxes.

Why is that "dangerous?"

People want more benefits so hose the rich, it's a vicious cycle that only ends in the destruction of the country.

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Suppose we were to eliminate Social Security. Would private charity make up the difference? Obviously not, because too many people are fake Christians, and too few people are genuine Christians.

Seriously stop with the scare tactics, the only one talking about ending social security is Ron Paul.

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Hence the need for taxes, to supplement the efforts of the few true Christians.

Entitlements are not charity, I also wouldn't classify Social Security as an entitlement, cause the people on social security for the most part paid for it already (retirees). I'm seriously getting fed up with you trying to bash people in this manner.

Attacking someone as not being a "true Christian", a "true Jew", a "true black", etc. is quite frankly trying to flamebait people and I seriously suggest you stop.

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15 Nov 2011, 9:38 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

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Inuyasha wrote:

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Sorry but the way government is spending money, I have every right to protest being taxed.

Only if you aren't a true Christian.

Excuse me?!?!? Are you saying I'm somehow not a Christian cause I don't agree with you politically?

No. To clarify, a true Christian would "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's", and not complain or protest, any more than a first century Christian would.

Inuyasha wrote:

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Inuyasha wrote:

The way the tax system is set up right now is dangerous because about 50% of Americans don't pay Federal Income Taxes.

Why is that "dangerous?"

People want more benefits so hose the rich, it's a vicious cycle that only ends in the destruction of the country.

Trickle Down Reaganomics is destroying the country, but that is another debate.

Inuyasha wrote:

pandabear wrote:

Suppose we were to eliminate Social Security. Would private charity make up the difference? Obviously not, because too many people are fake Christians, and too few people are genuine Christians.

Seriously stop with the scare tactics, the only one talking about ending social security is Ron Paul.

So you concede my point?

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Hence the need for taxes, to supplement the efforts of the few true Christians.

If you wouldn't classify Social Security as an "entitlement", do you consider it a charity? I am bashing no-one. Only pointing out that if you eliminated Social Security, then even charity from Christians would not make up the difference.

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Attacking someone as not being a "true Christian", a "true Jew", a "true black", etc. is quite frankly trying to flamebait people and I seriously suggest you stop.

I am attacking no-one. Only giving my perceptions. And, even if I were attacking anyone, a "true Christian" would turn the other cheek.

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16 Nov 2011, 5:03 pm

It's impossible to be both rich and a Christian.

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16 Nov 2011, 5:04 pm

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It's impossible to be both rich and a Christian.

Flat out wrong.

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16 Nov 2011, 5:16 pm

That's because rich people want to hoard up all of their money and still get to heaven.

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16 Nov 2011, 5:46 pm

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That's because rich people want to hoard up all of their money and still get to heaven.

I'm not going to just hand people money every day so they are dependent on me, that just hurts them because they are dependent on you. I would be willing to pay if they are learning a skill set for a job, or have a job and still need help making ends meet, however that is my decision.

I seriously don't think Jesus would advocate that people should feel entitled to the fruits of other people's labors.

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16 Nov 2011, 6:16 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

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That's because rich people want to hoard up all of their money and still get to heaven.

again androbot is not a real person.
I think Josh did tell that young rich man to do exactly that.
also Josh's brother Jake said

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Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Are you entitled to the fruits of Josh's Labor?
Do you deserve it?

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16 Nov 2011, 6:18 pm

You're grouping people that are lazy with people that are disabled and children. They are two seperate groups.

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16 Nov 2011, 6:20 pm

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That's because rich people want to hoard up all of their money and still get to heaven.

What about rich people who start new industries, fund the invention of new products and contribute to the overall material well being of the society? How many Rich Guys do you know who stuff their money in a mattress or bury it in their back yard?

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16 Nov 2011, 6:22 pm

The rich person would have had to give up his entire wealth in order to enter Heaven. Now weather that means giving the poor fishing gear or giving the poor actual fishes would be a personal choice.

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16 Nov 2011, 6:22 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

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That's because rich people want to hoard up all of their money and still get to heaven.

You may wish to read the gospels, to see what Jesus had to say.

Luke 18 wrote:

And a certain ruler asked him, saying, "Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?"

And Jesus said unto him, "Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God. Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, onour thy father and thy mother."

And he said, "All these have I kept from my youth up."

Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, "Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me." And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich. And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, "How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God."

And they that heard it said, "Who then can be saved?"

And he said, "The things which are impossible with men are possible with God."

Then Peter said, "Lo, we have left all, and followed thee."

And he said unto them, "Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or parents, or brethren, or wife, or children, for the kingdom of God's sake, who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting."

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16 Nov 2011, 6:24 pm

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You're grouping people that are lazy with people that are disabled and children. They are two seperate groups.

Jesus does not differentiate them.

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16 Nov 2011, 6:25 pm

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You're grouping people that are lazy with people that are disabled and children. They are two seperate groups.

Way do you feel you need to put words in other peoples mouths?
Bad habit? or just lack of an argument?

So what are the answers to my questions?
Do you deserve to benefit from Jesus's Labor?

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16 Nov 2011, 8:35 pm

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You're grouping people that are lazy with people that are disabled and children. They are two seperate groups.

Jesus does not differentiate them.

Quoting verses out of context is something that Christians are explicitly warned to be on the lookout for in the Bible.

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16 Nov 2011, 9:21 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

pandabear wrote:

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You're grouping people that are lazy with people that are disabled and children. They are two seperate groups.

Jesus does not differentiate them.

Quoting verses out of context is something that Christians are explicitly warned to be on the lookout for in the Bible.

Of course. That is why you will find that Jesus doesn't differentiate between the lazy and disabled.

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16 Nov 2011, 9:46 pm

pandabear wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

pandabear wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

You're grouping people that are lazy with people that are disabled and children. They are two seperate groups.

Jesus does not differentiate them.

Quoting verses out of context is something that Christians are explicitly warned to be on the lookout for in the Bible.

Of course. That is why you will find that Jesus doesn't differentiate between the lazy and disabled.

Jesus was not referring to poor people that choose to leach off of society, which wasn't exactly common in his time. I mean seriously, lazily feeling that you are entitled to the fruits of other people's labors. instead of being grateful they decided to help you at all is kinda telling.

Furthermore when it came to the blind, cripples, etc. Jesus healed them, he didn't go, "Oh here is some gold coins."

While Jesus preaches forgiveness, he was not preaching that it is okay to scam people and take advantage of their generosity.

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