Libertarian fire dept. lets another home burn

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09 Dec 2011, 4:31 pm

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Are not people motivated by greed rather than compassion?


It's true, but it shouldn't be like that. I don't believe in trading acts of kindness for your own selfish, personal gain.



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09 Dec 2011, 4:31 pm

Under Capitalism greed is a virtue.



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09 Dec 2011, 4:41 pm

People are motivated by both. If they were not, we wouldn't be having this discussion because we wouldn't care.



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09 Dec 2011, 4:57 pm

Under Capitalism showing mercy is a weakness.



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09 Dec 2011, 6:58 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
Under Capitalism showing mercy is a weakness.


Really? Then why did Andrew Carnegie who came to the U.S. without a dime in his pocket and just the clothes on his back set up a system of libraries so that working folk could get a hold of books to read?

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09 Dec 2011, 7:13 pm

So he could exploit the workers with their newly acquired skills



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09 Dec 2011, 9:23 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
So he could exploit the workers with their newly acquired skills


No. Carnegie was a bit of a Calvanist. He felt money should do some good. He did not believe that wealth should be inherited. He left very little to his children and put the most of his fortune into foundations and research organizations. Have you ever heard of the Carnegie Foundation. Also he funded a university. He thought money was tool to be used, not something to be hoarded.

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10 Dec 2011, 8:52 am

NextFact wrote:
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If you are a fire fighter why should you work for free to save someone's home?


Out of compassion and respect for your fellow man. Money is really not that important.


Compassion is fine and dandy, but who's going to compensate it?



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10 Dec 2011, 9:08 am

This is like the utmost justification for mandatory taxation.

Tennessee needs to add a firefighting tax and force everyone with a home to pay it.

[["Will just not end fires of homes that did not pay the fee"]] is a non-solution. It destroys the image of the fire fighters. And it is VERY risky. I mean, what about there is a home next to yours, you have paid your fee but your neighbor didn't. A fire starts in that house and then bang! Since the fire fighters don't help it, your own house is at a huge risk. By the time the fire starts consuming your own house, it is already too late and even if the firefighters try to stop the fire it will become hard because the fire is much larger than when it started in the other house.


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10 Dec 2011, 9:38 am

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This is like the utmost justification for mandatory taxation.

Tennessee needs to add a firefighting tax and force everyone with a home to pay it.

[["Will just not end fires of homes that did not pay the fee"]] is a non-solution. It destroys the image of the fire fighters. And it is VERY risky. I mean, what about there is a home next to yours, you have paid your fee but your neighbor didn't. A fire starts in that house and then bang! Since the fire fighters don't help it, your own house is at a huge risk. By the time the fire starts consuming your own house, it is already too late and even if the firefighters try to stop the fire it will become hard because the fire is much larger than when it started in the other house.


It would be better if the fire department was funded through private sales. What kid doesn't want a nice shiny fire truck? Sell enough of those at 19.95 a pop and there's the budget for each year.

Capitalism works. It would work for the banks and their customer base if it were a capitalism system instead of an oligarchy run by the politicians.



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10 Dec 2011, 9:45 am

cw10 wrote:
Capitalism works.

Citation needed.


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10 Dec 2011, 9:58 am

Vexcalibur wrote:
cw10 wrote:
Capitalism works.

Citation needed.


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10 Dec 2011, 10:18 am

Vexcalibur wrote:
cw10 wrote:
Capitalism works.

Citation needed.


http://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/reve ... 015USp_F0t

Well okay not a direct citation. But it's pretty convincing.



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10 Dec 2011, 10:36 am

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The importance of money has for so long been over exaggerated. In this case the $75 fee was more important than the persons home, this is a by product of a greedy and selfish capitalist society that put's money before everything, and now as we see money is in many cases more important than the life of a fellow creature. Me personally, I disagree with the entire American system and I aspire to move out of this country in my life time. Forget everything you were conditioned and educated to believe, America is the epicenter of materialism, greed, immorality and corruption.


I agree completely. The homeowners who don't pay the fee sure are foolish. It's just $75!



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10 Dec 2011, 10:36 am

Vexcalibur wrote:
cw10 wrote:
Capitalism works.

Citation needed.


cw10 overstated it somewhat. There has never been a pure capitalist economy. The closest ever was Hong Kong under British governance. However it is clear to see that industrial economies with a significant portion of their economies working under a market system with prices largely set by supply and demand and where investment is not centrally controlled afford their people the greatest amount of material prosperity.

The Hell Holes and basket cases of the world are non-industrialized nations. There disease and poverty reign supreme.

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10 Dec 2011, 10:37 am

NextFact wrote:
]The importance of money has for so long been over exaggerated. In this case the $75 fee was more important than the persons home, this is a by product of a greedy and selfish capitalist society that put's money before everything, and now as we see money is in many cases more important than the life of a fellow creature. Me personally, I disagree with the entire American system and I aspire to move out of this country in my life time. Forget everything you were conditioned and educated to believe, America is the epicenter of materialism, greed, immorality and corruption.


Move to China, because it's a Utopia you know.