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Theft does not require the removal of an object. Theft requires conversion of property to ones own use, without colour of right.

If I splice a cable onto your electrical line downstream from your meter, and flow it into my house, then I am stealing from you--forcing you to pay for a benefit that I receive. You don't lose any electricity in the process--you still have power flowing to all of your appliances. But I get a benefit that someone else has paid for.

Similarly, if I splice a cable upstream from your meter, then I am stealing from the electric company--acquiring a benefit for which I do not pay. Again, you still have your electricity--but I am getting something for nothing, where any reasonable person would expect to pay for the benefit.

If I want to watch a movie, I expect to pay a price for that movie, either by paying for admission at a cinema, buying or renting a recording of it (whether on durable medium or through a downloaded version), subscribing to a streaming video service or cable channel, or watching a broadcast on commercial television for which the price has been paid by advertisers.

Piracy is no more a victimless crime than stealing electricity.

What's so funny about all this is that those same corporations who want such anti-piracy measures were the ones who funded projects like BitTorrent.

It seems ye old, "Problem, Reaction, Solution" was applied here. They created the problem by financing p2p projects, then they react to the rampant piracy they actually PROMOTED originally on sites like C-Net lol, then they crackdown on the internet to gain exclusive control over it.

This was never about piracy, this is all about monopolizing the internet and turning it into another type of brainless TV media for them to make obscene profits from.

Err. Yes, it does.

"Stealing cable" is not theft either. It is copyright infringement.

Now that the US has shown that they are able to close up Megaupload (which is supposed to be a safe harbor) without a trial, without the addition of any law. I find it morally bankrupt of you to keep pushing this vicious agenda of 'copyright protection' with a straight face.

In fact, you should be ashamed. It is because of people like you, parroting utter BS such as copyright mafia needing more power (laughable) that we are set for a lot of fail in the future.

If you are one of the scribes fearing to lose your job because of print, I recommend you to just find another job, instead of trying to buy the government to ban print. Buying the government might work, but it will only be temporary.

all of civilization is based around largely free exchange of ideas and thoughts,

trying to stiffle it for the sake of the few is one of the worst actions imaginable in the modern world.

Visagrunt's actually a Canadian public sector employee. Which doesn't inspire optimism for Canada's government "getting" the reality of copyright legislation's inapplicability nowadays.

I usually agree with you, visagrunt, but you're wrong on this one. Maybe there does need to be more regulation of piracy, but neither SOPA nor PIPA are good mechanisms. It's the proverbial axe vs. scalpel argument; these bills are the former. Even if that's the case, though, I also agree with Vex et. all that the broadcasting and other media companies need to adapt to the new paradigm. Not all piracy is bad; the last time someone sent me a free song, I liked it so much that I went and bought not only that whole album, but several songs on another album by the same artist. I paid $16 for that act of 'piracy,' and everyone won from it.

Seeing as to how there's little effort to shut down people who share videocassette tapes with friends - which is predominantly done by an older (and more politically mobilized) demographic, SOPA is a form of intergenerational warfare (most of its drafters and supporters are older than the average net user and have no idea how it works).

QFT

VHS tapes arent the limit, same goes for copying,

in principle if we should honor the "intellectual property"(i dont even think the concept is valid)
we should also make the lending of books, music and video, illegal.
we should also make word of mouth illegal.

all of those forms can share the same idea and if its the idea itself that is "property" why limit its legal ways of sharing to any one single format or vector?

Don't give them any ideas. The in-development technology of brain-to-image interface makes me scared you will someday have to pay royalties for even *thinking* about Metallica, those futtbuckers

While I think the analogy strains a bit with word of mouth ("intellectual property" can be fashioned in more pragmatic ways), I'd certainly agree that modern technology makes copyrights impractical. Better systems of financing creative workers are needed.

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DAMN RIGHT!! ! Copyright the idea first!

I actually intend to copyright the years 100 BCE to 100 CE and then sue Christians who talk about Jesus or make Christian rock. Especially the latter

so…

according to the logic of many, i should not complain that every house i draw and design, should be in the public domain… as long as anyone who makes a copy of it, tells everybody else that i designed it, and are allowed to pas on my drawings to whomever wants them?

and i should not get paid for this?

are you all completely ret*d or insane????

i did not invest 6 years of my life paying for education to become a designer and architect... invest vast amounts of time and effort becoming an expert in my field... invest vast amounts in equipment and knowledge throughout the years to be competitive and be able to realize my unique ideas… only to give my intellectual property away for free to whomever who wants to copy it…

are you all kidding me?? sorry. morons.

get yourself some education and a brain instead of spreading all this nonsense that copyright limits freedom of speech.


excuse my temper and choice of words… but this type of discussions have been floating around for ages. time to stop it. stop the theft of others work.

you can not copyright others work.

you can not copyright an era.

you can not copyright an idea.

etc.


you can copyright your own unique work.

you can patent an unique idea.


get informed before spreading more nonsense.