Who do you want to be America's next president?

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Who?
Barack Obama 50%  50%  [ 21 ]
Mitt Romney 12%  12%  [ 5 ]
Rick Santorum 5%  5%  [ 2 ]
Ron Paul 29%  29%  [ 12 ]
Newt Gingrich 5%  5%  [ 2 ]
Total votes : 42

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25 Jan 2012, 3:25 am

MarketAndChurch wrote:
to the ron paul voters:

Since Ron Paul will lose anyways, will you sit the election, and if not, who is your second choice?


Ron Paul is actually my second choice, my first choice, Gary Johnson, is not listed.


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25 Jan 2012, 4:15 am

I'd vote for Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, or whoever else in the Republican party is being mocked and demonized the most. Not for that they are being treated as an underdog, but because they are being targeted for character assassination and as such are seen as a threat to liberal agendas and that is good as far as I'm concerned.



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25 Jan 2012, 5:40 am

Well, there is only one sane candidate on the list, so that's an easy choice. Too bad that person is a conservative. (No, I'm not talking about any of the Republicans).



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25 Jan 2012, 6:12 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
I'd vote for Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, or whoever else in the Republican party is being mocked and demonized the most. Not for that they are being treated as an underdog, but because they are being targeted for character assassination and as such are seen as a threat to liberal agendas and that is good as far as I'm concerned.


They do a terrific job of assassinating their own character, or rather of demonstrating that they have no such thing (and no conscience either).

Meanwhile, Democrats are assassinated in a very physical and sometimes deadly way, because poor misunderstood ultra-right-wing characters like O'Reilly, Ann Coulter and Glenn Beck compare liberals to Nazis, call them enemies of god and freedom who hate America more than Muslim terrorists do, and encourage people to assassinate Michael Moore and other liberal celebrities. A Kansas Republican speaker of the House goes so far as to pray for Obama's children to be fatherless and his wife to be a widow.

As a result of this right-wing hate-mongering, liberals are being shot on the way to church. Doctors are being killed by radical anti-choicers, gay teenagers are being brutally tortured and murdered, self-appointed minutemen kill Mexican-American families and 4 year old children, and a Democratic campaign manager comes home to find his children's cat with a bashed-in head and the word "liberal" painted onto its dead body. These are no isolated incidents. They can all be linked to the hatred, panic and misinformation spread by right-wing spokespeople and the conservative media.

That is real assassination. Calling right-wing politicians out for the inanity of their public statements is not. It is ultimately something they're doing to themselves.



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25 Jan 2012, 4:21 pm

It doesn't matter who I want because I am Canadian. And I have no clue who should be the next prez, they're all the same to me... a bunch of filthy, disgusting liars who will wreck the planet even more :evil:



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25 Jan 2012, 7:53 pm

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As Written Sections 1031 and 1032 of S. 1867 Do NOT Apply to U.S. Citizens
“Nothing in this section is intended to limit or expand the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military Force.” section 1031 NDAA 2012 page 360


So, it admits that it doesn't protect Americans? Read that again.

So what was the authority of the president prior?

Secret panel can put Americans on "kill list't

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There is no public record of the operations or decisions of the panel, which is a subset of the White House's National Security Council, several current and former officials said. Neither is there any law establishing its existence or setting out the rules by which it is supposed to operate.


I doubt that the president didn't have that power before, but man, he is rubbing it in the face of America! Sounds more like they are planning to step up the rounding up effort.

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“The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.” section 1032 NDAA 2012 page 362


No requirement needed, eh?

The sections of the NDAA, regarding detainment, can be interpretted in different ways. Some people think that it doesn't mean that American citizens can be detained, while other people, like me, believe that there is enough cracks in it that can allow that to happen. When Obama signed it, he even put in some signing statements

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“I have signed this bill despite having serious reservations with certain provisions that regulate the detention, interrogation, and prosecution of suspected terrorists,” Obama said in a statement accompanying his signature.


The signing statement doesn't change the legislation, it just put down, for the record, where he stands on the issue. This is very deceptive. If you disappeared one day, how would anyone be able to say what happened to you? No one could say with certainty, "IT WAS THAT DAMN OBAMA!" If a family member could ask Obama, he'd say, "I definitely was not a part of that." If he was a part of it, you think he's going to tell them! Then what about the next president? When the next NDAA is passed, they will most likely do the same thing, sign it with a statement. :evil:


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25 Jan 2012, 8:52 pm

Jason Hawes from Ghost Hunters!


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25 Jan 2012, 9:53 pm

MarketAndChurch wrote:
to the ron paul voters:

Since Ron Paul will lose anyways, will you sit the election, and if not, who is your second choice?


I won't even vote if Ron Paul's not on the ballot.