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30 Jan 2012, 1:47 am

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You say you live in an atheistic, Orwellian country, but the only reference we have to explore this claim is a country name that cannot be googled. Please provide physical, geographic orientations for the Orwellian country you live in, so that we can look up the conditions for ourselves, or provide some other solid support for your claim that atheism leads to Orwellian conditions (given that Hitler was raised a Christian, used Christianity in his seminal work 'Mein Kampf,' and made repeated references to Christian theology throughout his reign, your 'Hitler was not a true Christian' clam looks like nothing so much as a 'no true Scotsman' fallacy.


I love logic,I know what is "no true Scotsman" fallacy.
But the definition of a true Christian is very simple.
Those who abide by the Bible are defined as true Christians.

Hitler contradicted the Bible because he killed and the Bible did not permit killing.

Matthew 5:21-22(ASV)
21 Ye have heard that it was said to them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

22 but I say unto you, that every one who is angry with his brother shall be in danger of the judgment; and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council; and whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of the hell of fire.

The Bible defines who is a true Christian,not me.

so only people who behave 'well' by your definition are 'true Christians,' because the bible defines true christians as behaving well.

Ok. Richard Dawkins says that atheists are smarter, more honorable, and less likely to be criminals than theists, so anyone who is unintelligent, dishonorable, or criminal is by definition not an atheist.
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Wow, that was easy!

Also, @Czeslaw_Kowalski: there were two parts in my initial post above. Please provide geographic references to your Orwellian country.



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30 Jan 2012, 1:47 am

If you think that I am trolling,please look at my other posts.
thanks.
I am not trolling just as you are not.



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30 Jan 2012, 1:49 am

East or Southeast Asia



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30 Jan 2012, 1:54 am

There is no geographic country named 'Dolchavia' in east or southeast Asia.
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30 Jan 2012, 1:55 am

What do you mean by the word "well"?
What is good and what is bad?
The problems of defining "good" is very confusing.
It could only be defined by a book.
It could not be defined by the society,otherwise it will become Orwellian.
Things that are generally accepted could change over time.
Things that are generally accepted differ from culture to culture.
If there is something that is good in one society and bad in another,
that is Orwellism.



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30 Jan 2012, 1:59 am

Czeslaw_Kowalski wrote:
If you think that I am trolling,please look at my other posts.
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I am not trolling just as you are not.



surely you must realize your "beliefs" lack the proper evidence to be believable

the stance atheists take is that you lack evidence to support your case of God(s) existence so we are forced to believe he doesn't exist as the only logical alternative so our claim does not require evidence that God(s) does not exist, our claim is your lack of evidence which has already been proven until you show the evidence we claim you lack


frankly religion only makes sense if you don't think about it, but if you think about it it makes no sense


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30 Jan 2012, 2:18 am

TheKing wrote:
Czeslaw_Kowalski wrote:
If you think that I am trolling,please look at my other posts.
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I am not trolling just as you are not.



surely you must realize your "beliefs" lack the proper evidence to be believable

the stance atheists take is that you lack evidence to support your case of God(s) existence so we are forced to believe he doesn't exist as the only logical alternative so our claim does not require evidence that God(s) does not exist, our claim is your lack of evidence which has already been proven until you show the evidence we claim you lack


frankly religion only makes sense if you don't think about it, but if you think about it it makes no sense


Actually we could not prove Christianity scientifically,but pure Atheism makes less sense.

I am not talking about proving Christianity ,which is difficult.

I am talking about the social results of lacking of religion .
When a person lacks religion ,it is not a problem.
But if a society lacks religion,things that I said happen.

Dolchavia is one of the following countries:Burma(Myanmar),Singapore,South Korea,Vietnam,PR China,Laos,Cambodia,Japan,Republic of China,Malaysia
I don't want to say specifically,I don't want to hurt my nation.
The societies in these countries are similar to each other.
People in these countries usually are good at academics and trading.
Although ordinary Dolchavians do have morality,the officials usually have lower standards of morality.
Dolchavian society requires much conformity,which I don't like.



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30 Jan 2012, 2:19 am

I refute your claim.

Anyone who claims 2+2=5 is certainly not an atheist, in my experience. Assuming access to supporting evidence that indeed 2+2=4, of course.

The "atheists" of yours do not sound like atheists. Although it is possible, in theory, to have people be atheists and still not be capable of solid reasoning, it rarely happens in my experience. I'm actually not sure I've ever encountered it, although my anecdotal experience is worth little in this matter, to be honest.

A society where people are told to make such a peculiar claim at that, with a penalty of death for failing to abide, is beyond my ability to allow for. I do not believe in your country, please provide evidence it exists.

Nearly everything in your post is illogical, presumptions, assumptions, or constructed from lies. What is your goal here?


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30 Jan 2012, 2:22 am

NarcissusSavage wrote:
I refute your claim.

Anyone who claims 2+2=5 is certainly not an atheist, in my experience. Assuming access to supporting evidence that indeed 2+2=4, of course.

The "atheists" of yours do not sound like atheists. Although it is possible, in theory, to have people be atheists and still not be capable of solid reasoning, it rarely happens in my experience. I'm actually not sure I've ever encountered it, although my anecdotal experience is worth little in this matter, to be honest.

A society where people are told to make such a peculiar claim at that, with a penalty of death for failing to abide, is beyond my ability to allow for. I do not believe in your country, please provide evidence it exists.

Nearly everything in your post is illogical, presumptions, assumptions, or constructed from lies. What is your goal here?


He is a troll. His only purpose here is to troll.


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30 Jan 2012, 2:28 am

NarcissusSavage wrote:
I refute your claim.

Anyone who claims 2+2=5 is certainly not an atheist, in my experience. Assuming access to supporting evidence that indeed 2+2=4, of course.

The "atheists" of yours do not sound like atheists. Although it is possible, in theory, to have people be atheists and still not be capable of solid reasoning, it rarely happens in my experience. I'm actually not sure I've ever encountered it, although my anecdotal experience is worth little in this matter, to be honest.

A society where people are told to make such a peculiar claim at that, with a penalty of death for failing to abide, is beyond my ability to allow for. I do not believe in your country, please provide evidence it exists.

Nearly everything in your post is illogical, presumptions, assumptions, or constructed from lies. What is your goal here?



generally atheists are men of reason, which is why they are atheists in the first place, mathematically 2+2 cannot =5, its illogical and math is based on logic


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30 Jan 2012, 2:30 am

NarcissusSavage wrote:
I refute your claim.

Anyone who claims 2+2=5 is certainly not an atheist, in my experience. Assuming access to supporting evidence that indeed 2+2=4, of course.

The "atheists" of yours do not sound like atheists. Although it is possible, in theory, to have people be atheists and still not be capable of solid reasoning, it rarely happens in my experience. I'm actually not sure I've ever encountered it, although my anecdotal experience is worth little in this matter, to be honest.

A society where people are told to make such a peculiar claim at that, with a penalty of death for failing to abide, is beyond my ability to allow for. I do not believe in your country, please provide evidence it exists.

Nearly everything in your post is illogical, presumptions, assumptions, or constructed from lies. What is your goal here?


My goal?
no goals
I am not hired by anyone and I am not coming here to promote Christianity .

I am in my winter vacation so I am here.
I have problems with dating so I went to incel support.
People there said that 40% of incels have AS.
So I took the AQ test.
I took the AQ test on Dec.20th,2011 and I found out that I am an Aspie,although not diagnosed.
I found here through google.
I registered on Dec 25th,2011 and posted my first post days later.
Then I focused on my problems.
People here give me so much,thanks. :)

I dislike my society,nearly everyone think that I am bizzare.
If you know more about these countries you will know what I mean.



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30 Jan 2012, 2:31 am

abacacus wrote:
NarcissusSavage wrote:
I refute your claim.

Anyone who claims 2+2=5 is certainly not an atheist, in my experience. Assuming access to supporting evidence that indeed 2+2=4, of course.

The "atheists" of yours do not sound like atheists. Although it is possible, in theory, to have people be atheists and still not be capable of solid reasoning, it rarely happens in my experience. I'm actually not sure I've ever encountered it, although my anecdotal experience is worth little in this matter, to be honest.

A society where people are told to make such a peculiar claim at that, with a penalty of death for failing to abide, is beyond my ability to allow for. I do not believe in your country, please provide evidence it exists.

Nearly everything in your post is illogical, presumptions, assumptions, or constructed from lies. What is your goal here?


He is a troll. His only purpose here is to troll.


i am inclined to agree

with both posters in this particular post i mean


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30 Jan 2012, 3:43 am

Eh, I don't know. I don't really get the post.

Atheists are not bad people. While I oppose militant atheists on a moral basis, I do not support this thread. :) Most atheists are not militant atheists and even militant atheists are not inherently "bad." This thread is weird.



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30 Jan 2012, 7:24 am

Last time I checked, places like Sweden and Finland were supposed to be pretty nice. I think history demonstrates pretty aptly that it works out best when there is an officially or semi-officially recognized religion in the state, but most people are kind of skeptical of it and manage not to confuse it with government.



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30 Jan 2012, 9:48 am

in reality we might have an official religion, but anyone can stop paying taxes to it simply by going down to the county offices.
in reality you would never see any danish politician use religion as any form of argumentation, you will never see someone trying to justify something publically with religion, it would instantly destroy their reputation and make any kind of public work impossible, in reality many danes simply dont want anything to do with any religion, though there are some traditions where this is disregarded.


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30 Jan 2012, 10:35 am

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