12 Feb 2012, 8:03 pm
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12 Feb 2012, 8:03 pm
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12 Feb 2012, 9:40 pm
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
CrazyCatLord wrote:
Longshanks wrote:
My great grandfather was the commisioner of roads and a part-time deputy sheriff during prohibition in Delta County, Michigan. He raided and destroyed one too many whiskey stills and was shot to death in front of his wife and 13 children. A cross was burned in the front lawn. My grandfather had to drop out of school at 14 to support the family. I hope Crazy Cat feels real good about that post.
Hats off to your great-grandfather and your granddad. But I don't see what that has to do with my post? Nobody can ever mention the KKK again because one of your ancestors was killed by klansmen? I don't quite understand that reasoning.
I think you are merely annoyed about the undeniable parallels between the current incarnation of the Republicans and the slightly more extreme group of racist Christian right-wingers that is the KKK. I don't think that comparison was unfair. Ron Paul accepts donations from white supremacy groups like Stormfront and thinks that white people are dying out. Mitt Romney's church thinks that dark skin is a curse from god for sinful behavior. Santorum implies that only black people receive welfare. They really couldn't turn more to the right without donning a KKK hood.
On top of that, one of the speakers at the most recent C-Pac had been a racist cretin who claimed Jews were trying to destroy the white race with liberal politics and non-white immigration. And he encouraged Republicans to combat this by getting out the white vote. When Democrats had asked the other speakers recant this racist idiot, the silence on the part of the Republicans was deafening.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
When you force something on people against their will like national healthcare then you violate their rights, plain and simple.
Do you really think that denying one right is better or worse than forcing another thing that denies another right?
Yep, you probably do so I don’t know why I ask.
You conservatives keep saying the people don't want national healthcare. But those aspects of it that have already been instituted - disallowing insurance companies from holding pre-existing conditions against individuals, allowing for children of the insured to remain on the policies till age twenty seven, etc. are in fact very popular. Your assertion that national healthcare is unpopular, I think, is as valid as the notion that people don't really want social security. And you conservatives have made that claim, too.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
12 Feb 2012, 10:00 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
CrazyCatLord wrote:
Longshanks wrote:
My great grandfather was the commisioner of roads and a part-time deputy sheriff during prohibition in Delta County, Michigan. He raided and destroyed one too many whiskey stills and was shot to death in front of his wife and 13 children. A cross was burned in the front lawn. My grandfather had to drop out of school at 14 to support the family. I hope Crazy Cat feels real good about that post.
Hats off to your great-grandfather and your granddad. But I don't see what that has to do with my post? Nobody can ever mention the KKK again because one of your ancestors was killed by klansmen? I don't quite understand that reasoning.
I think you are merely annoyed about the undeniable parallels between the current incarnation of the Republicans and the slightly more extreme group of racist Christian right-wingers that is the KKK. I don't think that comparison was unfair. Ron Paul accepts donations from white supremacy groups like Stormfront and thinks that white people are dying out. Mitt Romney's church thinks that dark skin is a curse from god for sinful behavior. Santorum implies that only black people receive welfare. They really couldn't turn more to the right without donning a KKK hood.
On top of that, one of the speakers at the most recent C-Pac had been a racist cretin who claimed Jews were trying to destroy the white race with liberal politics and non-white immigration. And he encouraged Republicans to combat this by getting out the white vote. When Democrats had asked the other speakers recant this racist idiot, the silence on the part of the Republicans was deafening.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
When you force something on people against their will like national healthcare then you violate their rights, plain and simple.
Do you really think that denying one right is better or worse than forcing another thing that denies another right?
Yep, you probably do so I don’t know why I ask.
You conservatives keep saying the people don't want national healthcare. But those aspects of it that have already been instituted - disallowing insurance companies from holding pre-existing conditions against individuals, allowing for children of the insured to remain on the policies till age twenty seven, etc. are in fact very popular. Your assertion that national healthcare is unpopular, I think, is as valid as the notion that people don't really want social security. And you conservatives have made that claim, too.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Using that mess known as social security as an example of a desirable program says a lot........
It'll be a GD miracle if it's even going to be payable to anyone that's retiring in the not too distant future even though they've had to pay in to it.
Whatever, though........
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12 Feb 2012, 10:26 pm
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
CrazyCatLord wrote:
Longshanks wrote:
My great grandfather was the commisioner of roads and a part-time deputy sheriff during prohibition in Delta County, Michigan. He raided and destroyed one too many whiskey stills and was shot to death in front of his wife and 13 children. A cross was burned in the front lawn. My grandfather had to drop out of school at 14 to support the family. I hope Crazy Cat feels real good about that post.
Hats off to your great-grandfather and your granddad. But I don't see what that has to do with my post? Nobody can ever mention the KKK again because one of your ancestors was killed by klansmen? I don't quite understand that reasoning.
I think you are merely annoyed about the undeniable parallels between the current incarnation of the Republicans and the slightly more extreme group of racist Christian right-wingers that is the KKK. I don't think that comparison was unfair. Ron Paul accepts donations from white supremacy groups like Stormfront and thinks that white people are dying out. Mitt Romney's church thinks that dark skin is a curse from god for sinful behavior. Santorum implies that only black people receive welfare. They really couldn't turn more to the right without donning a KKK hood.
On top of that, one of the speakers at the most recent C-Pac had been a racist cretin who claimed Jews were trying to destroy the white race with liberal politics and non-white immigration. And he encouraged Republicans to combat this by getting out the white vote. When Democrats had asked the other speakers recant this racist idiot, the silence on the part of the Republicans was deafening.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
When you force something on people against their will like national healthcare then you violate their rights, plain and simple.
Do you really think that denying one right is better or worse than forcing another thing that denies another right?
Yep, you probably do so I don’t know why I ask.
You conservatives keep saying the people don't want national healthcare. But those aspects of it that have already been instituted - disallowing insurance companies from holding pre-existing conditions against individuals, allowing for children of the insured to remain on the policies till age twenty seven, etc. are in fact very popular. Your assertion that national healthcare is unpopular, I think, is as valid as the notion that people don't really want social security. And you conservatives have made that claim, too.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Using that mess known as social security as an example of a desirable program says a lot........
It'll be a GD miracle if it's even going to be payable to anyone that's retiring in the not too distant future even though they've had to pay in to it.
Whatever, though........
The notion that social security is going to go broke any time in the near future is a bunch of crap produced from the hind quarters of conservatives. Social security is the most successful government program yet. What would you suggest it be replaced with? Do you have any plans to replace it? Or are you just going to let the elderly and vulnerable go and die because they didn't have the forethought to make a million to rely on?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
12 Feb 2012, 11:04 pm
12 Feb 2012, 11:05 pm
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Meh, Santorum's too paleo for my tastes.
Now a president who "claims to be" a b-boy or a dj, I might want that investigated just for curiosity.
Now a president who "claims to be" a b-boy or a dj, I might want that investigated just for curiosity.
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12 Feb 2012, 11:23 pm
marshall wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
The notion that social security is going to go broke any time in the near future is a bunch of crap produced from the hind quarters of conservatives. Social security is the most successful government program yet. What would you suggest it be replaced with? Do you have any plans to replace it? Or are you just going to let the elderly and vulnerable go and die because they didn't have the forethought to make a million to rely on?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I'll give you the rundown since you've obviously missed the memo.
Nothing. Just let all the chips fall as they will. That's right. Tough sh**. Suck it up. Nobody cares if the poor and elderly die in the streets. If people suffer it's because they lacked personal responsibility. It's called the "Just World Philosophy". If you can't get a job that pays enough to have anything left over from one paycheck to the next you're just a loser. You have no right to complain if you didn't even try to get an advanced degree while working the night shift to pay for it. Only sissy liberal weaklings need more than 2 hours of sleep per night.
Numbers and budgets are more important than a few irresponsible old wretches. The right fist of God demands we have a balanced budget. To do otherwise is immoral. What we need is more tax cuts for "job creators" because that's the moral thing to do. If tax revenue reductions don't create any new jobs they at least create an incentive for cutting medicare and medicaid to the bone. Ooops! Republicans voters aren't supposed to notice that little connection there. Just cut the damn taxes and repeat after me "it's not a revenue problem, it's a spending problem".
Are you into spiritualism? Because you've really channeled right wing douche bags!
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
13 Feb 2012, 12:26 am
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
CrazyCatLord wrote:
Longshanks wrote:
My great grandfather was the commisioner of roads and a part-time deputy sheriff during prohibition in Delta County, Michigan. He raided and destroyed one too many whiskey stills and was shot to death in front of his wife and 13 children. A cross was burned in the front lawn. My grandfather had to drop out of school at 14 to support the family. I hope Crazy Cat feels real good about that post.
Hats off to your great-grandfather and your granddad. But I don't see what that has to do with my post? Nobody can ever mention the KKK again because one of your ancestors was killed by klansmen? I don't quite understand that reasoning.
I think you are merely annoyed about the undeniable parallels between the current incarnation of the Republicans and the slightly more extreme group of racist Christian right-wingers that is the KKK. I don't think that comparison was unfair. Ron Paul accepts donations from white supremacy groups like Stormfront and thinks that white people are dying out. Mitt Romney's church thinks that dark skin is a curse from god for sinful behavior. Santorum implies that only black people receive welfare. They really couldn't turn more to the right without donning a KKK hood.
On top of that, one of the speakers at the most recent C-Pac had been a racist cretin who claimed Jews were trying to destroy the white race with liberal politics and non-white immigration. And he encouraged Republicans to combat this by getting out the white vote. When Democrats had asked the other speakers recant this racist idiot, the silence on the part of the Republicans was deafening.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
When you force something on people against their will like national healthcare then you violate their rights, plain and simple.
Do you really think that denying one right is better or worse than forcing another thing that denies another right?
Yep, you probably do so I don’t know why I ask.
I don't see how this has anything whatsoever to do with the posts in your quote, but anyway: What about police protection? A fire department? The military? Traffic infrastructure? All of that is forced onto the taxpayer. Ultimately, the government is forced onto citizens as well. What about citizens who don't want to be governed and would rather live in anarchy?
13 Feb 2012, 12:39 am
13 Feb 2012, 1:50 am
13 Feb 2012, 1:56 am
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13 Feb 2012, 9:06 am
13 Feb 2012, 9:19 am
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13 Feb 2012, 9:48 am
13 Feb 2012, 9:52 am
marshall wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
The notion that social security is going to go broke any time in the near future is a bunch of crap produced from the hind quarters of conservatives. Social security is the most successful government program yet. What would you suggest it be replaced with? Do you have any plans to replace it? Or are you just going to let the elderly and vulnerable go and die because they didn't have the forethought to make a million to rely on?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I'll give you the rundown since you've obviously missed the memo.
Nothing. Just let all the chips fall as they will. That's right. Tough sh**. Suck it up. Nobody cares if the poor and elderly die in the streets. If people suffer it's because they lacked personal responsibility. It's called the "Just World Philosophy". If you can't get a job that pays enough to have anything left over from one paycheck to the next you're just a loser. You have no right to complain if you didn't even try to get an advanced degree while working the night shift to pay for it. Only sissy liberal weaklings need more than 2 hours of sleep per night.
Numbers and budgets are more important than a few irresponsible old wretches. The right fist of God demands we have a balanced budget. To do otherwise is immoral. What we need is more tax cuts for "job creators" because that's the moral thing to do. If tax revenue reductions don't create any new jobs they at least create an incentive for cutting medicare and medicaid to the bone. Ooops! Republicans voters aren't supposed to notice that little connection there. Just cut the damn taxes and repeat after me "it's not a revenue problem, it's a spending problem".
Fkng awesome that you finally see the light of reality.
