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The Muslim Council of Britain is a Muslim Brotherhood front group.

Taqqiiya is mandated deception to promote the welfare of the Ummah. A Muslim is obligated to lie about religious matters in order to protect Islam or Muslims.

See: http://www.islam-watch.org/Warner/Taqiy ... -Allah.htm

ruveyn

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I find that difficult to believe, considering the Muslim Council of Britain's condemnation of violence, alliance with trade unions, and budding support of homosexuality.

The person who signed that has since stepped down. And I saw multiple pictures on their website of Muslim women who were not veiled. They had on head scarfs, but not veils. The MCB does have some conservative viewpoints it seems, but many of them are no more so than the Catholic Church. Also, none of this has anything to do with a connection to the Muslim Brotherhood.

All of this really emphasizes to me why Britain needs a written constitution. Without it you have no guidelines over what you can or can not do in terms of multiculturalism.

As a side note, although I most defnitely do not believe that any women should feel obliged to dress a certain way, I do not support a banning of the veil as they've done in France. That also denies these women their freedom to dress the way they want. You can not force freedom on people. I realize that that is not the issue discussed here, of course.

The fact that that kind of nonsense is coming out of the MCB at all, and combined with the state of Islam in the UK (as opposed to the Catholic Church) is a cause for some considerable worry, frankly.

We don't have multiculturalism here - we have tolerance of intolerance, divided areas and, increasingly, sectarian politics.

And I'm sorry, but the fact that they presume to speak for all Muslims is in itself very bad news in an area as sensitive as this. What gives them the right to speak for all Muslims? It doesn't - they have no mandate and no voice at all. They're self-appointed and unrepresentative and are taqqiya merchants. They speak of tolerance and open-mindedness and a willingness to integrate into British culture but their real aim is something else entirely.

Between 2001 and 2007, the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) expressed its unwillingness to attend the Holocaust Memorial Day ceremony and associated events, due to the "ongoing genocide and violation of Human Rights in the occupied Palestinian territories, in Jammu and Kashmir and elsewhere". Do you think this is acceptable?

This lot were actively being supported by the Government of the day until 2009, when they submitted the Istanbul Declaration, which supports the right of the Palestinian people "to resist the ongoing illegal and brutal occupation of their land". The Royal Navy was in the Gaza waters at the time, and the declaration also said that "foreign warships in Muslim waters, claiming to control the borders and prevent the smuggling of arms to Gaza" was a declaration of war. The leading lights of the MCB supported this, and the Labour government finally lost patience with them and severed ties.

Organisations like these, filled with extremists claiming to represent all Muslims, are very dangerous indeed I think. It would be like suggesting that the BNP represents all white, working class Brits.

I support a ban on veiling in shops, banks and anywhere else where people would normally be expected to be uncovered, like government offices and airports. Police officers and teachers must be unveiled. This goes without saying. But I wouldn't ban the garment altogether as this would probably mean that other cultural face masks (and masks used during protests) would have to go too.

Not much point having a written constitution if it will be subverted.

Cover you head all you want. But don't cover your face in a crowded area or a bank.

ruveyn

I would be refused entry in a shop here if I wore a balaclava or a motorcycle helmet, covering my face. Why on Earth are Muslim women allowed to shop dressed like ninjas?

It's things like this that the people of Northern Europe are sick and tired of.

Then do something about it.

Fortunately, in the United States, the Muslim Population while not assimilated by any means accomodates itself to the civil rules and customs of the society. I have yet to see a Muslim-American woman go out on the street in a full cover up Burka. And if she did should would not be permitted to enter a bank so attired. Most Muslim women I have seen cover their hair when in public. Which is cool because they are still quite identifiable even with their hair covered.

ruveyn

It's extremely commonplace in the local area. I was out in Preston today and I saw a few women wearing veils.

There's very little we can do about this because of the lack of democracy and free speech we have here. The only thing that can be done is to vote for parties that oppose this.

Essentially from what I've heard of the Muslim Brotherhood and this may just be a conspiracy theory, but the phrase is "Become the majority population, then one election and democracy is gone".

We must prevent this at all costs. Stop mass immigration.

I dont know what you are talking about it ever going away. Here in Georgia, the N-word is used as often as [email protected] about every other sentance for some people. People look at you weird here for refering to a black person as African American.
Racism here is alive and well. I am one of the few "libruls" in my area. It s a tough job, but someone has to do it

Unlike the Travyon case, an unarmed black kid gets shot....it never makes the news.
I have often heard ppl here say, "the only good n**ger is a dead n**ger"

As far as their opinion of the prez,...if I repeat what some of them said, the secret service will be at my door by this afternoon.

Here school board members tell black folks, on record, that there will never be parity in their schools.

Even with Jim Crowe laws gone...it still lingers like a bad aftertaste

Jojo

Why do I bother? What I hear in this thread is largely a mixture of conspiracy theories, xenophobia, and unwillingness to change your own attitude (not to say that the minority groups don't need to change theirs, but you can hardly ask them to do that if you aren't going to try to reach out to them yourself). Unfortunately it overshadows the legitimate concerns.

Tequila, I could address some, most, or possibly all of your points, but I give up. Regardless of what you claim, I find it very difficult to believe that your attitudes are not based, at least partially, on racism and/or xenophobia. I can back that up with your comments towards muslimmetalhead the other day.

I'm seriously surprised no one has ever tried to rob a bank while in full Burka! Thankfully, no one has, as that would play into the hands of Anti-Islamic bigots.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Who himself has some rather misogynist points of view.

Tell you what, chum: you call my views what you like. Racist, bigoted, Islamophobic, xenophobic, whatever. Please do get on with it. The majority here really have stopped listening to you and your kind. No more concessions for Islam. None.

I want to bring a halt to mass immigration and to integrate Muslim immigrants with the rest of UK society. This will be painful and will take a lot of time but when they realise that they cannot simply top themselves up with more and more hardliners from abroad, things will slowly begin to change for the better. The more Muslims immigrate here, the worse the situation will be not only for wider British society, but for Muslims in particular.

We can then choose our future immigrants much more carefully.