God sacrificed his only son to absolve our sins???

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If you tell a lie enough, people will believe it. It takes a conspiracy centered around the target, usually from within their own family who supports the conspiracy, and then the social pretense to back it up. That's the only reason people believe any of it. But remember the people who actually believe it are the enemies of religion. You should help set them free if they really believe and let them know they are a victim of social pretense. You could be their true Savior and Hero, all you need to do is figure out the truth.

It's a scam that allows an entire clerical class of people to make a comfortable living without doing anything of value, provides them with social status, and gives them a great deal of influence. It also allows politicians to deceive and control the faithful masses by masquerading their own agenda as the will of god.

Churches do mission trips all around the world with out a religious motive like helping towns that get hit by tornados hurricanes ect.

... and to deceive impoverished, gullible people by telling them that condoms help spread AIDS instead of preventing it But yes, they also collect money for the poor and destitute. How much of this money arrives at those in need is anyone's bet.

Mother Teresa raised vast amounts of money that was supposed to help starving people in Africa, flood victims in Bangladesh, and poor children in India. Much of it was donated by deeply religious people who were rather poor themselves. So where did it end up? Most of it just sat in the bank accounts of the Missionaries of Charity and gained interest ($50 million in one New York bank account, according to Christopher Hitchens). A lot of the rest was used to build additional nunneries and increase the number of unpaid foot soldiers of the Catholic Church. Only a small fraction was really applied to charitable purposes.

^ quite so, also let's not forget the obscene amount of capital in the vaticans possession.

@ webcam I would reply but I am unable to decipher what the heck it is that you are trying to say!!

That is what the Catholics have done not proestants.

You're perfectly correct. What the protestants do is send Bibles to Japan instead of food and blankets, attempt to cross international borders in total defiance of the authority of multiple nations (and then b***h at the USA when they get caught), and ship food and supplies to impoverished nations that they'll only hand out if their 'beneficiaries' attend Sunday school and convert to the Faith.

Soooooo much morally better.

@DentArthurDent

I just want to say, your profile pic just seems really funny for this thread (jesus fish)

The Protestant churches are also quite wealthy. They don't have their own bank and their own little state full of priceless art and plundered cultural treasures (such as the largest repository of original Hebrew manuscripts that were stolen from massacred or forcefully converted Jews), but they do have vast land holdings, buildings, institutions and financial assets. They are businesses, not charities.

Good point. The main goal of missionary work is to convert people to Christianity. I would even call it the only goal, since helping people is but a smokescreen for robbing other nations of their cultural heritage and increasing the church's socio-political influence as well as the number of tithing church members.

You have to assume that the believers don't actually believe. You can't accept that they put any kind of faith in an afterlife that occurs after you are dead an buried. After that, everything means something else. Give it a try. For instance, the life after death part equates to dieing in the sense that you know that there is no afterlife and that religion is fake. Heaven is to be found between the legs of the opposed sex and you can come and go as you please, from the verse "those with the keys to heaven may come and go as they please."

Ragtime's earlier verse quotes also speak like this. Can you figure them out?



So what is being said in the first quote from Jesus through the method taught by the words of Solomon is that we are taught the words of god as children and then when we grow up the meaning of the words are transformed, yet are "hidden from the wise and learned" because as children if we are good our parents let us know that religion is just for pretend, but if we are bad as children, our parents let us go about believing that everyone in the world believes. If you happen to have parents that are still believers in the sense that things are hidden from them despite being wise and learned, then perhaps and uncle or someone else lets you know and determines if you are a good kid or not.

When he says "Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do." The character Jesus, or (one of) the Author(s), is saying that God the Father is good for doing this because the world is a safer place with some people living a compromised existence in ignorance.

So as Solomon states, religion has given subtlety (a subtle understanding) to the simple (children), and to the young man (who was once given the subtle understanding) is given knowledge (how religion works) and discretion (the ability to identify others by the judgement of their parents/religious community through the way that speak and carry themselves, or better stated, by the way they understand things) and with discretion comes righteous judgement (agreement with the judgement of one's parents) or mercy/forgiveness (looking past or disagreeing with the judgement of one's parents).

This is how we are to read religion if we are good people. There is a trick to it. Of course my awakening comes after a long period of sleep after neurological hormone replacement therapy. You see, not living in the know of religion and all of the social institutions built on the framework of religion for most of your life can lead to a deficiency in the production of a key hormone that allows you to understand things such as this. Replacing the hormone fixes the problem... It is the same deficiency caused by PTSD. So one could rightly argue that religion causes PTSD to people as children living outside of the know, and as adults people are left with the judgement of never being recognized as having PTSD. Luckily oxytocin acetate is available as a nutraceutical. Google oxytocin factor if you are interested. It will cure the disease that God gave you. I also saw a story on TV where the guy who makes distortion petals and guitars for Kiss and Lady Gaga (he is a mechanical savant) was able to have the production of the hormone induced directly through the use of a magnetic oscillation device of some sort being directed at the centers of his brain that were lacking the production. The therapy can apparently permanently increase your levels. This is by far the safest method IMHO.

Jesus suffering as a substitute for us has always confused me, even when I fully believed in Christianity. One man suffering on a cross for a few hours or days is a suitable substitute for eternal suffering in Hell for each and every human being? And anyway, why couldn't God take the easy way out and just snap his fingers and free us from our sins? It's nonsense like this that made me stop believing.

Because salvation has to be profitable Even the message "Jesus died for your sins" is nothing but bait. Once you believe that, you're told that your sins aren't really forgiven and you can still end up in hell if you don't convert to Christianity, do whatever the clergy says, and give your hard-earned money to Jesus' little helpers.

Ah look a little closer and you will see the fish has legs, in other words it is symbolic of evolution. Linux in the middle is a reference to a far better operating system than windows and represents my desire for an "evolution" in computing.

BTW the concept and artwork is someone else's, all I did was add the legs.

Whoever wrote the Bible seem to think that the god of this Bible values blood sacrifice. I personally don't see the attraction, since I am not bloodthirsty.

Biblically, blood is the surrogate for life itself.

ruveyn