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08 Jun 2012, 1:53 pm

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Nevertheless, Tequila made a completely valid point in that you're trying to defend the indefensible.

I am defending the IRA actions after the bloody sunday massacre.

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08 Jun 2012, 1:55 pm

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Nevertheless, Tequila made a completely valid point in that you're trying to defend the indefensible.

Indeed. It hasn't brought Irish unification any closer - in fact, it has put it back. Many Unionists look at the Irish flag as being a terrorist rag in Northern Ireland, due to it being draped on the coffins of those who murdered their people. Thousands of people were murdered, many more were killed, others were burnt out of their homes, beaten, threatened or intimidated out. And for nothing. The IRA lost - they ordered a ceasefire and their weapons have been decommissioned. Northern Ireland remains in the UK and Sinn Féin are in government.

This isn't unique to the IRA - the loyalists and other groups killed thousands between them, but the IRA were the biggest murderers of the Troubles.

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08 Jun 2012, 1:59 pm

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Cornflake wrote:

Nevertheless, Tequila made a completely valid point in that you're trying to defend the indefensible.

Hmm 800 years of brits and english killing irish men and women.

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08 Jun 2012, 1:59 pm

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I am defending the IRA actions after the bloody sunday massacre.

Which then brought massacres and kidnappings in revenge by Loyalist paramilitaries.

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08 Jun 2012, 2:01 pm

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Joker wrote:

I am defending the IRA actions after the bloody sunday massacre.

Which then brought massacres and kidnappings in revenge by Loyalist paramilitaries.

I havent denied that Teqiual.

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08 Jun 2012, 2:02 pm

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I'm not going to play word games with you DC.

Why not, scared of losing or can you just not defend the total hypocrisy you have demonstrated on this thread?

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Elsewhere, you state that nothing good comes from suppressing freedom of speech and thought and you whine that this is a lesson certain moderators could do with learning, yet now that lesson is applied - in that a controversial view expressed by Joker is allowed to remain here - you complain again and expect some sort of moral judgement to be made on the basis of his view being controversial.
This is not an approach I will take seriously and I have nothing more to add.

Yes I am strongly against censorship and my views are fairly similar to Tallyman's but the moderation is still all over the place.

Is Tallyman's post now official policy?
Are moderators going to all apply the same standards?
Are moderators going to stop jumping in to automatically defend other mods dubious calls by resorting to threatening posters?
Are moderators going to stop stalking specific people and censoring them all the time while ignoring much worse behaviour going on in other threads or even acting much worse themselves, like you have just done?

Etcetera, etcetera

I would like consistent moderation that is both explained clearly and applied clearly, instead we have a moderator clique that can't cope with people that have differing views to them. I can accept censorship on a private site, provided that censorship is applied to all and not simply used to bully certain members that the mods don't like.

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08 Jun 2012, 2:02 pm

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Hmm 800 years of brits and english killing irish men and women.

You haven't a clue what you're talking about, have you?

An armed group (with the help of much money from the U.S.) tried to bully, terrorise, bomb and murder people into giving into their political goals.

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08 Jun 2012, 2:03 pm

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I would like consistent moderation that is both explained clearly and applied clearly, instead we have a moderator clique that can't cope with people that have differing views to them.

I did get an extremely supportive PM from Cornflake (which I responded to similarly supportively) but yes, things are haywire. It's broken.

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08 Jun 2012, 2:04 pm

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Hmm 800 years of brits and english killing irish men and women.

Yes yes all that jazz I know and btw it was 800 years of your ancestores killing mine that is fact.

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08 Jun 2012, 2:07 pm

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Yes yes all that jazz I know and btw it was 800 years of your ancestores killing mine that is fact.

Oh, the oppression.

You haven't a clue about Irish history, or British history come to think of it.

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08 Jun 2012, 2:08 pm

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Yes yes all that jazz I know and btw it was 800 years of your ancestores killing mine that is fact.

Oh, the oppression.

You haven't a clue about Irish history, or British history come to think of it.

Yes in fact I do you get angry about the fact that I am American yet I know these things.

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08 Jun 2012, 2:09 pm

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Yes in fact I do you get angry about the fact that I am American yet I know these things.

Shouldn't you be getting down to Fibber Magee's Irish Pub?

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08 Jun 2012, 2:17 pm

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Joker wrote:

Yes in fact I do you get angry about the fact that I am American yet I know these things.

Shouldn't you be getting down to Fibber Magee's Irish Pub?

Nah I'll just have a guinness black instead.

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08 Jun 2012, 4:38 pm

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Cornflake wrote:

Nevertheless, Tequila made a completely valid point in that you're trying to defend the indefensible.

I am defending the IRA actions after the bloody sunday massacre.

...which are indefensible.

The provos did not merely attack British institutions and British forces. They also attack Irish civilians who were, or were perceived to be, "Loyalist" in their politics. They killed far more innocent bystanders than the British forces and RUC ever did. They escalated the scope and scale of violence to a level that was not justifiable, was not proportionate to the provocation and which did nothing to advance their stated political cause.

Thousands of people acted in the cause of Irish reunification, and did so without resort to violence. And you spit on their efforts by romanticising thugs who had no wish to do good for their people--but only wished to create, perpetuate and escalate violence for its own sake.

And it is opinions like yours that will continue to cause people to see the cause of Irish reunification as repulsive. A majority of the people of Northern Ireland will only agree to reunification through a democratic process once the IRA and its actions have been thoroughly repudiated. So long as people like you keep the romantic notions alive, you will ensure that the island remains divided.

But, of course, reunification would deprive you of your hobbyhorse, so you are probably no more interested in it than the IRA were.

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08 Jun 2012, 4:46 pm

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A majority of the people of Northern Ireland will only agree to reunification through a democratic process once the IRA and its actions have been thoroughly repudiated.

I would have said 'may', to be honest. The statistics are more in favour of Northern Ireland remaining in the UK than at any time in the past.

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08 Jun 2012, 4:51 pm

But, now that UK and Ireland are part of the European Union, isn't reunification becoming moot?

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