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27 Jun 2012, 1:34 pm

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This is the typical atheist queiston and a straw man question at best. Bad things happen period God how ever has nothing to do with it. It's called free will :wink:
Hurricanes, volcanoes, droughts, famines, and epidemics are free will? Whose? While they don't constitute evil, they do cause suffering.


Of course they constitute free will. God's will. :lol: Though does God have free will? I doubt it. He can't seem to help his nature, being a giant a**hole kid with a magnifying glass


I recall a scene from Sam Peckinpah's Cross Of Iron, where James Colburn, as a world weary WWII German Sergeant serving on the Russian Front, comforts a dying young soldier. The soldier asks Colburn, "Do you believe in God?"
Colburn answers, "I think God is a sadist, and probably doesn't even know it."

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27 Jun 2012, 1:56 pm

Blaming something you don't believe in is a waste of time.



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27 Jun 2012, 2:25 pm

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Blaming something you don't believe in is a waste of time.


No duh. Did you just now arrive to this conclusion? Little late to the party, don't you think?

Atheists don't blame God (or various gods) for things. We do, however, choose to hold religions accountable for the actions they take because of their faith.


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27 Jun 2012, 2:33 pm

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Blaming something you don't believe in is a waste of time.


No duh. Did you just now arrive to this conclusion? Little late to the party, don't you think?

Atheists don't blame God (or various gods) for things. We do, however, choose to hold religions accountable for the actions they take because of their faith.


And why would you do that? If I was you I would sit back and watch theists kill each other. I guess your not a strong athiest but a weak one.



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27 Jun 2012, 2:42 pm

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Blaming something you don't believe in is a waste of time.


No duh. Did you just now arrive to this conclusion? Little late to the party, don't you think?

Atheists don't blame God (or various gods) for things. We do, however, choose to hold religions accountable for the actions they take because of their faith.


And why would you do that? If I was you I would sit back and watch theists kill each other. I guess your not a strong athiest but a weak one.


Because they A. kill us too and B. legislate and discriminate against atheists as well. I've been on the end of de factor discrimination in the workplace because of my lack of faith, and one needs only trawl the media to find stories of violence, discrimination, and ostracism directed against atheists by theists. As long as people continue to say, "It's their faith, that makes it okay," the innocent will continue to suffer.


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27 Jun 2012, 2:45 pm

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Blaming something you don't believe in is a waste of time.


No duh. Did you just now arrive to this conclusion? Little late to the party, don't you think?

Atheists don't blame God (or various gods) for things. We do, however, choose to hold religions accountable for the actions they take because of their faith.


And why would you do that? If I was you I would sit back and watch theists kill each other. I guess your not a strong athiest but a weak one.


Because they A. kill us too and B. legislate and discriminate against atheists as well. I've been on the end of de factor discrimination in the workplace because of my lack of faith, and one needs only trawl the media to find stories of violence, discrimination, and ostracism directed against atheists by theists. As long as people continue to say, "It's their faith, that makes it okay," the innocent will continue to suffer.


FIght fire with fire create a atheist ideology and do the same thing to us. And we can have a huge war between the two groups but your not gonna like who wns.



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27 Jun 2012, 2:52 pm

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Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
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Blaming something you don't believe in is a waste of time.


No duh. Did you just now arrive to this conclusion? Little late to the party, don't you think?

Atheists don't blame God (or various gods) for things. We do, however, choose to hold religions accountable for the actions they take because of their faith.


And why would you do that? If I was you I would sit back and watch theists kill each other. I guess your not a strong athiest but a weak one.


Because they A. kill us too and B. legislate and discriminate against atheists as well. I've been on the end of de factor discrimination in the workplace because of my lack of faith, and one needs only trawl the media to find stories of violence, discrimination, and ostracism directed against atheists by theists. As long as people continue to say, "It's their faith, that makes it okay," the innocent will continue to suffer.


FIght fire with fire create a atheist ideology and do the same thing to us. And we can have a huge war between the two groups but your not gonna like who wns.


Okay, so I'm going to translate this:

Me: Atheists want to hold theists morally accountable for their actions because what they are doing is wrong.

You: Why not just let them kill each other?

Me: Because I don't feel like being killed either.

You: INSTALL MORE KILLING!

The idea is to hold folks to a code of secular laws that might, I dunno, prevent killing and discrimination and to help people realize that both of those actions are not acceptable in a society where all citizens are equal under the law. It's an ideological conflict, and starting a shooting war over it would represent A. a complete failure to comprehend the point and B. a complete breakdown of any kind of ethical system.

Tell me, do you READ what you write?


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27 Jun 2012, 2:52 pm

30% of those under 30 report a lack of faith. The wheels are slowly coming off of the Jesus bus. Largely, imo, because christians come across like fools on the internet and everyone sees it.

if you insist that we include "god" in the pledge, stamp the money with "god", and put "god" in the national motto (all in the 1950s), then don't cry when that tide turns and the majority makes you swear to whatever the F they feel like. It's one thing to disrespect atheists but you arent even respecting polytheists or those who worship a female diety. Monotheism has been "established". A no no.



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27 Jun 2012, 2:57 pm

Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
Blaming something you don't believe in is a waste of time.


No duh. Did you just now arrive to this conclusion? Little late to the party, don't you think?

Atheists don't blame God (or various gods) for things. We do, however, choose to hold religions accountable for the actions they take because of their faith.


And why would you do that? If I was you I would sit back and watch theists kill each other. I guess your not a strong athiest but a weak one.


Because they A. kill us too and B. legislate and discriminate against atheists as well. I've been on the end of de factor discrimination in the workplace because of my lack of faith, and one needs only trawl the media to find stories of violence, discrimination, and ostracism directed against atheists by theists. As long as people continue to say, "It's their faith, that makes it okay," the innocent will continue to suffer.


FIght fire with fire create a atheist ideology and do the same thing to us. And we can have a huge war between the two groups but your not gonna like who wns.


Okay, so I'm going to translate this:

Me: Atheists want to hold theists morally accountable for their actions because what they are doing is wrong.

You: Why not just let them kill each other?

Me: Because I don't feel like being killed either.

You: INSTALL MORE KILLING!

The idea is to hold folks to a code of secular laws that might, I dunno, prevent killing and discrimination and to help people realize that both of those actions are not acceptable in a society where all citizens are equal under the law. It's an ideological conflict, and starting a shooting war over it would represent A. a complete failure to comprehend the point and B. a complete breakdown of any kind of ethical system.

Tell me, do you READ what you write?


ME=Christian want to hold the atheists communist for killing theists accontable as well.



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27 Jun 2012, 2:59 pm

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30% of those under 30 report a lack of faith. The wheels are slowly coming off of the Jesus bus. Largely, imo, because christians come across like fools on the internet and everyone sees it.

if you insist that we include "god" in the pledge, stamp the money with "god", and put "god" in the national motto (all in the 1950s), then don't cry when that tide turns and the majority makes you swear to whatever the F they feel like. It's one thing to disrespect atheists but you arent even respecting polytheists or those who worship a female diety. Monotheism has been "established". A no no.


I believe god is genderless.



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27 Jun 2012, 3:02 pm

Joker wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
Blaming something you don't believe in is a waste of time.


No duh. Did you just now arrive to this conclusion? Little late to the party, don't you think?

Atheists don't blame God (or various gods) for things. We do, however, choose to hold religions accountable for the actions they take because of their faith.


And why would you do that? If I was you I would sit back and watch theists kill each other. I guess your not a strong athiest but a weak one.


Because they A. kill us too and B. legislate and discriminate against atheists as well. I've been on the end of de factor discrimination in the workplace because of my lack of faith, and one needs only trawl the media to find stories of violence, discrimination, and ostracism directed against atheists by theists. As long as people continue to say, "It's their faith, that makes it okay," the innocent will continue to suffer.


FIght fire with fire create a atheist ideology and do the same thing to us. And we can have a huge war between the two groups but your not gonna like who wns.


Okay, so I'm going to translate this:

Me: Atheists want to hold theists morally accountable for their actions because what they are doing is wrong.

You: Why not just let them kill each other?

Me: Because I don't feel like being killed either.

You: INSTALL MORE KILLING!

The idea is to hold folks to a code of secular laws that might, I dunno, prevent killing and discrimination and to help people realize that both of those actions are not acceptable in a society where all citizens are equal under the law. It's an ideological conflict, and starting a shooting war over it would represent A. a complete failure to comprehend the point and B. a complete breakdown of any kind of ethical system.

Tell me, do you READ what you write?


ME=Christian want to hold the atheists communist for killing theists accontable as well.


You mean, like, I dunno, Lenin and Stalin (dead)? Hitler (dead)? Mao (dead)? Kim Jong Il (dead)? You'll note that these men were not really well-liked or well-loved, and I doubt you'll find anyone with a decent grasp of sanity defending their moral character. There's no common thread amongst atheists to defend these men either, and I think I can safely state that the majority of atheists don't really like folks that commit genocide and establish dictatorships.


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27 Jun 2012, 3:05 pm

Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
Blaming something you don't believe in is a waste of time.


No duh. Did you just now arrive to this conclusion? Little late to the party, don't you think?

Atheists don't blame God (or various gods) for things. We do, however, choose to hold religions accountable for the actions they take because of their faith.


And why would you do that? If I was you I would sit back and watch theists kill each other. I guess your not a strong athiest but a weak one.


Because they A. kill us too and B. legislate and discriminate against atheists as well. I've been on the end of de factor discrimination in the workplace because of my lack of faith, and one needs only trawl the media to find stories of violence, discrimination, and ostracism directed against atheists by theists. As long as people continue to say, "It's their faith, that makes it okay," the innocent will continue to suffer.


FIght fire with fire create a atheist ideology and do the same thing to us. And we can have a huge war between the two groups but your not gonna like who wns.


Okay, so I'm going to translate this:

Me: Atheists want to hold theists morally accountable for their actions because what they are doing is wrong.

You: Why not just let them kill each other?

Me: Because I don't feel like being killed either.

You: INSTALL MORE KILLING!

The idea is to hold folks to a code of secular laws that might, I dunno, prevent killing and discrimination and to help people realize that both of those actions are not acceptable in a society where all citizens are equal under the law. It's an ideological conflict, and starting a shooting war over it would represent A. a complete failure to comprehend the point and B. a complete breakdown of any kind of ethical system.

Tell me, do you READ what you write?


ME=Christian want to hold the atheists communist for killing theists accontable as well.


You mean, like, I dunno, Lenin and Stalin (dead)? Hitler (dead)? Mao (dead)? Kim Jong Il (dead)? You'll note that these men were not really well-liked or well-loved, and I doubt you'll find anyone with a decent grasp of sanity defending their moral character. There's no common thread amongst atheists to defend these men either, and I think I can safely state that the majority of atheists don't really like folks that commit genocide and establish dictatorships.


You for got the North Korean dictaor who is Alive.



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27 Jun 2012, 3:06 pm

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30% of those under 30 report a lack of faith. The wheels are slowly coming off of the Jesus bus. Largely, imo, because christians come across like fools on the internet and everyone sees it.

if you insist that we include "god" in the pledge, stamp the money with "god", and put "god" in the national motto (all in the 1950s), then don't cry when that tide turns and the majority makes you swear to whatever the F they feel like. It's one thing to disrespect atheists but you arent even respecting polytheists or those who worship a female diety. Monotheism has been "established". A no no.


I believe god is genderless.


But still must be referred to as He and probably has gigantic hairy celestial balls flying through space at superluminal velocity


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27 Jun 2012, 3:07 pm

Joker wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
Blaming something you don't believe in is a waste of time.


No duh. Did you just now arrive to this conclusion? Little late to the party, don't you think?

Atheists don't blame God (or various gods) for things. We do, however, choose to hold religions accountable for the actions they take because of their faith.


And why would you do that? If I was you I would sit back and watch theists kill each other. I guess your not a strong athiest but a weak one.


Because they A. kill us too and B. legislate and discriminate against atheists as well. I've been on the end of de factor discrimination in the workplace because of my lack of faith, and one needs only trawl the media to find stories of violence, discrimination, and ostracism directed against atheists by theists. As long as people continue to say, "It's their faith, that makes it okay," the innocent will continue to suffer.


FIght fire with fire create a atheist ideology and do the same thing to us. And we can have a huge war between the two groups but your not gonna like who wns.


Okay, so I'm going to translate this:

Me: Atheists want to hold theists morally accountable for their actions because what they are doing is wrong.

You: Why not just let them kill each other?

Me: Because I don't feel like being killed either.

You: INSTALL MORE KILLING!

The idea is to hold folks to a code of secular laws that might, I dunno, prevent killing and discrimination and to help people realize that both of those actions are not acceptable in a society where all citizens are equal under the law. It's an ideological conflict, and starting a shooting war over it would represent A. a complete failure to comprehend the point and B. a complete breakdown of any kind of ethical system.

Tell me, do you READ what you write?


ME=Christian want to hold the atheists communist for killing theists accontable as well.


You mean, like, I dunno, Lenin and Stalin (dead)? Hitler (dead)? Mao (dead)? Kim Jong Il (dead)? You'll note that these men were not really well-liked or well-loved, and I doubt you'll find anyone with a decent grasp of sanity defending their moral character. There's no common thread amongst atheists to defend these men either, and I think I can safely state that the majority of atheists don't really like folks that commit genocide and establish dictatorships.


You for got the North Korean dictaor who is Alive.


Yeah - the new guy. The old guy just cacked it recently, if you didn't notice (admittedly they didn't report very extensively on it). I don't know what he has or hasn't done just yet, but rest assured that neither I nor any atheists of my acquaintance are big fans of North Korea's governmental system - especially not the bit where technically the dictatorship is the state religion.


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27 Jun 2012, 3:08 pm

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30% of those under 30 report a lack of faith. The wheels are slowly coming off of the Jesus bus. Largely, imo, because christians come across like fools on the internet and everyone sees it.

if you insist that we include "god" in the pledge, stamp the money with "god", and put "god" in the national motto (all in the 1950s), then don't cry when that tide turns and the majority makes you swear to whatever the F they feel like. It's one thing to disrespect atheists but you arent even respecting polytheists or those who worship a female diety. Monotheism has been "established". A no no.


I believe god is genderless.


But still must be referred to as He and probably has gigantic hairy celestial balls flying through space at superluminal velocity


Not really jews often prefer to him as a goddess. Or at least some do.



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27 Jun 2012, 3:09 pm

Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
Blaming something you don't believe in is a waste of time.


No duh. Did you just now arrive to this conclusion? Little late to the party, don't you think?

Atheists don't blame God (or various gods) for things. We do, however, choose to hold religions accountable for the actions they take because of their faith.


And why would you do that? If I was you I would sit back and watch theists kill each other. I guess your not a strong athiest but a weak one.


Because they A. kill us too and B. legislate and discriminate against atheists as well. I've been on the end of de factor discrimination in the workplace because of my lack of faith, and one needs only trawl the media to find stories of violence, discrimination, and ostracism directed against atheists by theists. As long as people continue to say, "It's their faith, that makes it okay," the innocent will continue to suffer.


FIght fire with fire create a atheist ideology and do the same thing to us. And we can have a huge war between the two groups but your not gonna like who wns.


Okay, so I'm going to translate this:

Me: Atheists want to hold theists morally accountable for their actions because what they are doing is wrong.

You: Why not just let them kill each other?

Me: Because I don't feel like being killed either.

You: INSTALL MORE KILLING!

The idea is to hold folks to a code of secular laws that might, I dunno, prevent killing and discrimination and to help people realize that both of those actions are not acceptable in a society where all citizens are equal under the law. It's an ideological conflict, and starting a shooting war over it would represent A. a complete failure to comprehend the point and B. a complete breakdown of any kind of ethical system.

Tell me, do you READ what you write?


ME=Christian want to hold the atheists communist for killing theists accontable as well.


You mean, like, I dunno, Lenin and Stalin (dead)? Hitler (dead)? Mao (dead)? Kim Jong Il (dead)? You'll note that these men were not really well-liked or well-loved, and I doubt you'll find anyone with a decent grasp of sanity defending their moral character. There's no common thread amongst atheists to defend these men either, and I think I can safely state that the majority of atheists don't really like folks that commit genocide and establish dictatorships.


You for got the North Korean dictaor who is Alive.


Yeah - the new guy. The old guy just cacked it recently, if you didn't notice (admittedly they didn't report very extensively on it). I don't know what he has or hasn't done just yet, but rest assured that neither I nor any atheists of my acquaintance are big fans of North Korea's governmental system - especially not the bit where technically the dictatorship is the state religion.


Yay we are agreeing on something.