Are autistics conservatives or liberals?

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21 Aug 2012, 8:17 am

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Coming from the person who seems rather conservative in another thread I've seen him in, where he purports that only men should work and not letting any women work and staying home will fix this economy.

If you can't find the thread, then it never happened. :wink:

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21 Aug 2012, 9:23 am

ArrantPariah wrote:

http://pss.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/01/04/0956797611421206.abstract

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Lower Cognitive Ability Predicts Greater Prejudice Through Right-Wing Ideology and Low Intergroup Contact

The science is there: lower-functioning folks tend toward Conservative political beliefs.

Produce the evidence. All we need is one super-bright conservative to blow your bigoted hypothesis to shreds.

There is no correlation between abstract intelligence and one's political inclinations. Nazi Germany was filled with brilliant scientists and engineers, some of who even one Nobel prizes. These bright folks played ball with the regime. They could have gotten out but they chose not to.

Werner Heisenberg who is very smart had a cadre of slaves working for him in producing a nuclear device. Werner von Braun a brilliant engineer was an SS Standartenfuherer. So much for correlations between being conservative (i.e. right wing) and having dull wits.

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21 Aug 2012, 9:29 am

ruveyn wrote:

ArrantPariah wrote:

http://pss.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/01/04/0956797611421206.abstract

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Lower Cognitive Ability Predicts Greater Prejudice Through Right-Wing Ideology and Low Intergroup Contact

The science is there: lower-functioning folks tend toward Conservative political beliefs.

Produce the evidence. All we need is one super-bright conservative to blow your bigoted hypothesis to shreds.

There is no correlation between abstract intelligence and one's political inclinations. Nazi Germany was filled with brilliant scientists and engineers, some of who even one Nobel prizes. These bright folks played ball with the regime. They could have gotten out but they chose not to.

Werner Heisenberg who is very smart had a cadre of slaves working for him in producing a nuclear device. Werner von Braun a brilliant engineer was an SS Standartenfuherer. So much for correlations between being conservative (i.e. right wing) and having dull wits.

ruveyn

not when the word trend is involved,

though i do agree with the general sentiment that political inclination has little to do with intelligence,
besides intelligence is ill defined to begin with.

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21 Aug 2012, 9:34 am

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ArrantPariah wrote:

http://pss.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/01/04/0956797611421206.abstract

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Lower Cognitive Ability Predicts Greater Prejudice Through Right-Wing Ideology and Low Intergroup Contact

The science is there: lower-functioning folks tend toward Conservative political beliefs.

Produce the evidence. All we need is one super-bright conservative to blow your bigoted hypothesis to shreds.

ruveyn

No. I never said that all lower-functioning autistics were conservatives, nor that all conservatives were lower-functioning autistics. Only that a tendency, or correlation, exists.

People who write for The Economist, or who wrote for The Wall Street Journal before it became just another Rupert Murdoch tabloid, are highly intelligent. As are the people in your examples.

People who sit around and watch Fox News all day are generally of rather low intelligence.

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21 Aug 2012, 9:34 am

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not when the word trend is involved,

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What trend? Have you done a statistically sound survey? If so, cite the evidence. And if you can't take the foot out of your mouth and show us that silence is golden.

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21 Aug 2012, 9:38 am

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Oodain wrote:

not when the word trend is involved,

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What trend? Have you done a statistically sound survey? If so, cite the evidence. And if you can't take the foot out of your mouth and show us that silence is golden.

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http://pss.sagepub.com/content/early/20 ... 6.abstract

(my online Sage subscription has expired, or I could get you the full article)

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21 Aug 2012, 9:41 am

Here are The Young Turks on the article

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWHwxIAfIcc[/youtube]

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21 Aug 2012, 9:42 am

ArrantPariah wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Oodain wrote:

not when the word trend is involved,

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What trend? Have you done a statistically sound survey? If so, cite the evidence. And if you can't take the foot out of your mouth and show us that silence is golden.

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http://pss.sagepub.com/content/early/20 ... 6.abstract

(my online Sage subscription has expired, or I could get you the full article)

Just one study? I am underwhelmed. And has another group evaluated this study for soundness. A study does not count until it is criticized and replicated by independent investigators. All experiments must be replicated.

When psychology becomes a Real Science like physics instead of a pseudo science, you can quote psychological studies -provided they are vetted and replicated by independent parties-.

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21 Aug 2012, 9:51 am

If I could get the article, then I would check the references.

Usually, when you ask an author for a copy of a published article, he just sends it to you. But, I'm suspecting that his inbox is quite full right now.

EDIT: I just sent a request for a copy of the article.

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21 Aug 2012, 11:13 am

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Any independent corroboration? If not, all you have is vapor ware.

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21 Aug 2012, 12:21 pm

I consider myself conservative liberal. I am against unnecessary bureaucracy, politics without values other than material ones, and most left-wing stuff. There schould be freedom, but not the freedom to hurt one another.

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21 Aug 2012, 12:45 pm

ruveyn wrote:

ArrantPariah wrote:

http://pss.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/01/04/0956797611421206.abstract

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Lower Cognitive Ability Predicts Greater Prejudice Through Right-Wing Ideology and Low Intergroup Contact

The science is there: lower-functioning folks tend toward Conservative political beliefs.

Heisenberg was so full of his own ego that he couldn't even grasp that he didn't even know how to actually build a nuclear bomb. Not that it mattered, as he was purposely dragging his feet - even Albert Speer had suspicions Heisenberg was underestimating the funds and resources needed to build the thing.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

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21 Aug 2012, 1:21 pm

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Would you prohibit boxing?

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21 Aug 2012, 1:38 pm

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ArrantPariah wrote:

Any independent corroboration? If not, all you have is vapor ware.

ruveyn

While waiting to hear from the author, I'm surprised that none of the Conservatives have invoked the objection of Publication Bias.

What gets published must pass the test of being pleasing to the Editor and to the Reviewers. If the Editor deems the material "politically incorrect", or seriously out-of-line with her biases or preconceived notions, then she is unlikely to publish it.

Non-significant findings (e.g., a finding of no difference in intelligence between Liberals and Conservatives) would also be unlikely to be published.

A finding contrary to what would ordinarily be expected based upon typical real-world observation (e.g., that Conservatives are more intelligent than Liberals) might get published, but would probably require a very thorough treatment of the study limitations, comparisons to other studies, etc.

If the author sends me a copy of the paper, then, rest assured, I shall scrutinize it carefully.

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21 Aug 2012, 1:45 pm

/\ /\ Yeah, whatever. All conservatives are ret*ds or whatever. /\ /\
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21 Aug 2012, 2:26 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

ArrantPariah wrote:

http://pss.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/01/04/0956797611421206.abstract

Quote:

Lower Cognitive Ability Predicts Greater Prejudice Through Right-Wing Ideology and Low Intergroup Contact

The science is there: lower-functioning folks tend toward Conservative political beliefs.

Produce the evidence. All we need is one super-bright conservative to blow your bigoted hypothesis to shreds.

ruveyn

Like I said about a million effing times before:

There IS a difference between populist conservatives and elitist conservatives!

Howard Phillips Lovecraft was a classic example of an aspie conservative of the elitist variety. I honestly do NOT understand for the life of me how aspies can be populist hillbilly conservatives.

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