What do you think about the death penalty

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AspieRogue

10 Sep 2012, 4:31 am

pawelk1986 wrote:

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I'm against the dath penalty for ALL cases (even for the likes of Che Guevara, Anders Breivik or Osama Bin Laden), but life in prison should really mean life. Killing someone to make a statement about how murder is wrong is irony at its best.

Taking another life is the most authocratic thing a government can do. The life of another person does not belong to anyone but the said person.

I see that you are from Norway, I once read about in the newspaper Breivik psycho, very sorry for Norwegians because of the crime, but did not think that the lack of the death penalty, does not that such psychopaths as Bravik think they can do anything to be born in their sick minds?

In Poland it was once a death penalty , but at the end of the 80 introduced a moratorium on the death penalty, and in the early 90s has been abolished. This manifestation of pseudo-humanitarianism that led to a dangerous serial pedophile murderer escaped the death penalty, the sentence was changed to life imprisonment. Bastard who raped and murdered 10 boys, is still alive and his victim is not,.
Does this it is fair, because it seems to me that certainly damn it is not.

An eye for an eye will make the whole world go blind.

By keeping him incarcerated forever, we take the moral highground over him rather than sinking to his level. Also, he has to put up with a terrible standard of living and the guilt of his crime for much longer than if he was simply killed.

For me there is only one fair punishment for children murdering beast, DEATH

That's still too humane; and too much of an escape for someone who does such a thing.

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10 Sep 2012, 5:13 am

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That's still too humane; and too much of an escape for someone who does such a thing.

Which is more important? Vengence, the safety of society or justice. First order of business: remove those who have been convicted of doing great wrong from our midst. If the conviction is faulty, it is possible to reverse and compensate the one who is falsely convicted --- provided he/she is still alive.

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10 Sep 2012, 8:44 am

ruveyn wrote:

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That's still too humane; and too much of an escape for someone who does such a thing.

That's why I'm generally against capital punishment and opposed to parole for violent felons. But in the case of adults who commit violent crimes against children, I say vengeance and removing them permanently from society is top priority.

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10 Sep 2012, 12:00 pm

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You are assuming the legal procedures are sound. Actually they are full of holes. Very faulty. Illinois got out of the capital punishment business when they found that 5 percent of the convictions for capital murder were incorrect.

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10 Sep 2012, 1:44 pm

I think it's inhumane to hold people in a cell for years with the threat of death hanging over their heads,what if they were innocent?But I do see a problem with what to do with people who are 100/ guilty,you can't turn them loose on society and the cost of warehousing them ridiculous and no guarantee of rehabilitation.There's no good solution at this time,maybe one day we will be proactive enough to screen for troubled individuals and get them the help they need before they commit these crimes.If you read the family history of many serial killers there was a lot of physical abuse and mental abuse and in some cases untreated mental illness.People are not born monsters,they are created in childhood.Some of these people never really had a chance.The potential for violence is in all of us,in the right circumstance no one is immune.

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03 Oct 2012, 4:34 pm

Doesn't it actually seem like younger people tend to be more pro death penalty than older people?

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03 Oct 2012, 5:18 pm

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It is a way of removing a wrong doer from our midst.

Its a way of preventing wrongly convicted people from arguing against their sentence.

Dead people can't defend themselves.

Moreover it doesn't work, even as a deterrent. the USA has both the death penalty AND some of the worlds, if not THE worlds highest murder and violent crime rates.

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03 Oct 2012, 5:21 pm

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Well... I get the concerns on killing the wrong person. And when things are not that clear, those alternatives might as well do. But what if it is proven beyond a doubt that the perpetrator is guilty of their crimes? It wouldn't happen often, true, but in those cases reversibility should not be an issue, because they ARE guilty.

What if they had undiagnosed neurological or mental issues at the time of conviction which diminished their responsibility for the crime?

The 'Batman' killer of the recent cinema shootings was believed to be on the spectrum. Now that if he is dead already or awaiting sentence he will never be able to argue the extent of his culpibility.

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03 Oct 2012, 5:25 pm

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For me there is only one fair punishment for children murdering beast, DEATH

There do not exist any legal procedures that are absolutely certain of convicting the guilty and acquitting the innocent. Are you ready to put innocent people to death because of error?

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03 Oct 2012, 5:28 pm

The only circumstance and exception I would attempt to condone the death penalty is in the case of Genocidal mass killers where there is no shadow of doubt as to their responsibility - Hitler, Idi Amin, Hussein, Milosevic etc.

Even then, it is open to bias from partisan courts and political conjecture.

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03 Oct 2012, 5:31 pm

ruveyn wrote:

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For me there is only one fair punishment for children murdering beast, DEATH

There do not exist any legal procedures that are absolutely certain of convicting the guilty and acquitting the innocent. Are you ready to put innocent people to death because of error?

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The propensity for people advocating the death penalty purely on emotive grounds, is all the more reason for it to not be implemented.

It encourages an awful lynch mob culture.

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03 Oct 2012, 5:31 pm

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I wouldn't even execute them, because fundamentally speaking killing millions isn't any worse than killing 100 people, or arguably even one person. I don't think extreme situations destroy a principle. After all, Darth Vader redeemed himself.

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03 Oct 2012, 5:34 pm

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Shadow of whose doubt? Unless one is present one cannot bear first hand witness to anything. And even them, one might be misled by an optical illusion or partial knowledge.

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03 Oct 2012, 5:36 pm

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I disagree. I think genocide is of a far worse level than the murder of 1 or a small number of people. What we're talking about is the murder of an entire culture; a way of life. I've watch Star Wars episodes IV-VI several times, I do not recall Vader attempted anything on par with the individuals i listed.

What really grates me is the idea that you can be executed for 'treason' or killing an 'important' person, such as royalty.

If I understand correctly 'Regicide' or the killing of Royalty is the only crime in the UK that you can still be executed for.

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03 Oct 2012, 5:39 pm

ruveyn wrote:

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Shadow of whose doubt? Unless one is present one cannot bear first hand witness to anything. And even them, one might be misled by an optical illusion or partial knowledge.

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Thats why I said 'its open to bias'. Even though I doubt anyone would doubt the culpibility of these individuals, given the global publicity and testimonies from their generals.

I for one would not have shed a tear, had Hitler swung from the noose that he so richly deserved.

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03 Oct 2012, 5:52 pm

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What about when he blew up an entire planet?

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