The Pyramids

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[source needed]I actually saw a program a few years ago on the History Channel which gave an alternate location for the pillars of Hercules. It's important to realize that when it comes to historical places, the mythology and the historical reality are often not in complete agreement. 9000 year old ruins have recently been discovered near Cadiz, Spain which appear to have been destroyed by a Tsunami. But it seems VERY unlikely that Hellenic culture of any sort existed that far back. Akrotiri was destroyed by the massive volcanic eruption of the Volcano at Thera and it's highly likely, given their seafaring technology, that some of the people living their managed to escape by ship to other islands, including Crete.

I think reality is so weird, that I wouldn't be surprised if extraterrestrials played some roll on some way. I think its weird that the ancient Egyptians said the Pyramids were build by a giant Scarab (flying saucer?), just as the modern day Peruvians say that the Machu Pichu was built by beings from the stars. I do think its way more likely that Atlantis existed and that they had advanced technology necessary to build structures like the pyramids than I think ET's built the pyramids though. The elongated skulls still trip me out though, I found a comparison of a modern, head bound skull, and one of the elongated skulls found, and they looked nothing like each other. One looked like a squashed human skull, and the other one was just abnormally long.

I would, considering the lack of valid material evidence.


The scarab beetle featured heavily in ancient Egyptian culture because it was everywhere in their actual physical environment.


Those modern-day Peruvians have many other unproven myths, as well.


But are those thoughts based on archeological evidence, or on popular myths?


Yet they are either within the parameters of normal human development, or they can be readily explained by ritualistic skull-shaping procedures during life, or by geological pressures after death (and burial).

The simplest explanations are usually the most accurate.

To posit "extraterrestrial" intervention is really more complex than it seems. First, you have to assume that ETs exist in the first place. Not impossible.

Then you have to assume that they have the technology to travel between star systems. Visit the Atomic Rocket / Project Rho website and read all of the reasons why this is unlikely.

Then you have to assume that the ETs have a reason for coming to Earth that does not involve stealing all of our natural resources, enslaving all of humanity, or colonizing our entire world.

Then you have to assume that they would have a reason for piling a bunch of rocks on a plateau in north-eastern Africa that does not involve pulling a practical joke on people 5000 years later.

No, the simplest explanation is that Egypt's pyramids were constructed over a period of 10 to 100 years each by manual labor at the direction of at least one despotic ruler, whom the people obeyed to the death.

...but they aren't within the parameters of normal human development. Human skull volume ranges from 1200- 1850 cubic centimeters, where the elongated skulls dug up around different parts of the world, from Peru to Russia, range from 2200 cc to 2500 cc. That's roughly 30% larger in volume. Then to top that off, many of them lack a sagittal suture, a whole joint in the plates of the cranium that's normal to human physiology. Archaeologists agree that some sort of head binding was used, but like the pyramids, they don't know how it was done exactly. This is because modern forms of head binding just smash the head in and don't expand the cranial capacity in any way. To top that off, it permanently misaligns the plates in the skull causing the victim of the practice to suffer soft spot their whole lives. The elongated skulls dug up from ancient sites show no signs of the type of trauma in more current examples of head binding, and the skulls look as if they developed the way they should have. These are serious gaps in the theory that the shape was caused by head binding. Its not a simple answer, because other factors are at play that complicate it from being a simple answer, I'm more apt to think that the simplest explanation in this case is that this is a different species of human, due to the fact that a whole joint is missing in the skull and that the capacity is 30% larger. If they discovered any cranium 30% smaller in size, like homo-erectus, there'd be no problem within establishment circles accepting that its a different species. Its only when its significantly larger than Homo S, skulls that they have a problem entertaining the notion that its another species.

"Plato was referring to in Timaeus"

And yet, the written records and pictographic murals that the Egyptians left behind do not give any indication of contact with extraterrestrials whatsoever! In fact, there are murals that visually demonstrate how the pyramids were constructed.

Smart extra-terrestrials would never have built in stone, which is so crude. The amount of usable space relative to the total volume of the Great Pyramid is infinitesimal. Aliens would have taught the Egyptians how to mine titanium and make carbon fiber which is extremely light and extremely strong. They also would have taught the Egyptians how to make labor saving machinery so they could have put the Great Pyramid in in 1 - 2 years instead of 20 years.

ruveyn

especially considering the myriad of materials carbon fibers can be made from in the first place,

As buildings go the Pyramids are inefficient, expensive and not too useful. The Pharos could have been buried with a lot less expense. If the intelligent aliens wanted to help the Egyptians send their Pharos off to the next world in style they could have taught the Egyptians to build space ships and launch their Pharos into space toward the Stars.

The idea of alien involvement with the ancient peoples is very silly and totally unsupported by factual evidence.

Having said all that, I still admire the Egyptians for working with the material they had at hand and using the most simple basic tools. The energy source was also basic. Human muscle powered by carbohydrates.

ruveyn

Which pictographs?

But what Archeological evidence do you have that the Atlanteans had anything to do with the construction of the Pyramids?


Here is a pictogram made by the ancient Egyptians showing how they transported the stone blocks from the quarry site to the Pyramid construction site:

Without delving back into the silly argument about aliens and Atlanteans, I have to address enrico's response to my comments:

The Sahara Desert did not always exist. Between 7500-3900 BC it experienced a wet phase, with grassland replacing the desert. Incidentally, this was the time when ancient Egyptian civilization's foundations were laid.




Ancient Egyptian and Phoenician both belong to the Afroasiatic language phylum, that much is true. So do lots of African languages, including many south of the Sahara Desert. In fact Afroasiatic as a phylum probably originated in Africa south of Egypt:



At any rate, early Egypt owed a considerable portion of its culture to more southerly areas of Africa, especially the Sudan. I could cite a mountain of evidence backing this up, but these should suffice for the moment:

The Nubian Pastoral Culture as Link Between Egypt and Africa

Ancient Egyptian as an African Language, Egypt as an African Culture


I know you are alluding to the 25th dynasty (i.e. when Kush conquered Egypt), but the Kushites were not the only Pharaohs who had a biological affinity with more southerly Africans:

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DNATribes Report: Last of the Amarna Pharaohs: King Tut and His Relatives


To be fair, the sample size of mummies is very small, but AFAIK we have no evidence that King Tut's family were ethnic outliers among the ancient Egyptian population.

Of course Egypt's adjacency to the Mediterranean would have always allowed some intermixing with Middle Eastern and Southern European types, particularly in the country's northern reaches, but the prevailing culture was definitely African.

It may have not been a tomb though. I'm skeptical of it, because its a very massive structure that would require a 20 year window if it were built for one person. Workers would have had to have transported cut stones from the quarry to very specific mathematical dimensions, float them down the Nile, and and place them down every 4.2 minutes, non-stop, 24/7, to complete it in 20 years using skids, ropes, and copper tools. This is why I think it was more likely that it was built as a temple over several centuries, like the cathedrals were. The "sarcophagus", which is just a granite box (the lid of which is nowhere to be found), may have been a box built to manifest God's presence, like the Ark of the Covenant, rather than a box used to house a monarch's corpse. I find it odd that there's actually three chambers too, not just one.

If the Pyramids, Tihuanacho, or Machu Pichu were built by aliens, which I take into consideration due to their texts stating that they were constructed by Gods, I think they were left behind as monoliths for us to decode as a reminder of "yah, we were here". They may have built them out of free standing stones, rather than concrete or steel (what we immediately assume as being more modern), because these materials last much longer and don't degrade for millions of years.

That was made on a computer. Where's the actual picture at, and which pyramid is it actually referring to, if a pyramid at all? Was it the older pyramids at Giza, or a smaller pyramid, or a small temple? I think that later generations may have tried to mimic the larger pyramids, but because of time restraints, scale, and precision, I'm very skeptical of the Giza pyramids being built the way depicted in the image. It may have worked on something small and crude, but not on the 2.3 million stones at Giza. They would have had to have laid one of the massive stones, which weigh between 25 and 80 tons each, every 4.3 minutes, not stop, pulling night and day shifts, for 20 years. ...and that's just laying the stones? What about manufacturing them? These aren't just piles of crudely stacked rocks. They would have had to have cut the stones from the quarry to mathematical precision every 4.3 minutes and got them floating on barges every 4.3 minutes. And these stones were supposed to have been shaped using copper and stone tools? If you've ever worked with modern, diamond bit saw wheels, shaping a massive, solid block would take more time than 4.3 minutes, even if you were working with machines, let alone implements out of the copper age. This would have been an assembly line far more advanced than anything we have today if it was all done within those time restraints. That's why I think it was done over centuries rather than decades. Even today, we'd need a lot more time than the 20 year period allotted.

It is a computer replication of a diagram found in an Egyptian papyrus. These devices, called sledges have actually been found by archeologists and were constructed from cedar wood. Also, I would seriously call into question the actual time frame that was officially recorded for the construction of the Pyramids(especially the Great one). But your argument that it was impossible to build such a structure without modern technology is nonsense. Given the sandy terrain, a sledge would be the most efficient way to transport these stones from the quarry to the construction site.

Trying to claim that Aliens assisted with the building of the Pyramids because the construction technique is not fully known and there could be no other explanations is pretty ridonkulous at the least. Occam's razor posits that the simplest explanation which fits the data is the best. And in this case the simplest explanations is that ancient Egyptians constructed the Pyramids. Unless you can demonstrate direct proof that Aliens actually reached Earth and made contact with the ancient Egyptians, then your claim cannot and will not be taken seriously. End of Story.




Here is an actual Egyptian papyrus that shows the use of a sledge to move a large stone statue(much heavier than an individual pyramid block):

Rank speculation with no evidence to support it.

ruveyn