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19 Nov 2012, 9:39 am

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19 Nov 2012, 10:58 am

As long as the ayatollah is in charge, then Israel would probably not be nuked. A militant muslim would probably not want Jerusalem (the 3. most sacred city to the muslims) to become a radioactive wasteland.

The pre-Gorbachev USSR and pre-Deng China were no better than Iran in terms of human-rights—and the former was far more imperialistic. Yet, none of the communist dictatorships ever launched any nukes.



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19 Nov 2012, 12:14 pm

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Paranoia about Iran has no basis in reality, what countries have they ever attacked? We overthrew their democratic government, installed our own dictator, supported an Iraqi invasion and war effort(we also gave Iran weapons in that war, thanks Reagan), shot down one of their civilian airliners, imposed sanctions, and countless other incidents. Iran has supported terror abroad but we've done far more to them than they ever did us.

Iran want nuclear weapons for the same reason North Korea wanted them, self preservation. We've all seen what happen to Gaddafi once he gave up his.


They actually have repeatedly attacked both Israel and the United States using terrorist groups as their proxies. It wouldn't surprise me if other countries have been attacked by Iranian backed terror groups.



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19 Nov 2012, 12:45 pm

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As long as the ayatollah is in charge, then Israel would probably not be nuked. A militant muslim would probably not want Jerusalem (the 3. most sacred city to the muslims) to become a radioactive wasteland.

The pre-Gorbachev USSR and pre-Deng China were no better than Iran in terms of human-rights—and the former was far more imperialistic. Yet, none of the communist dictatorships ever launched any nukes.


Neither of them had a religion that promoted martyrdom.

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19 Nov 2012, 1:14 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
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Paranoia about Iran has no basis in reality, what countries have they ever attacked? We overthrew their democratic government, installed our own dictator, supported an Iraqi invasion and war effort(we also gave Iran weapons in that war, thanks Reagan), shot down one of their civilian airliners, imposed sanctions, and countless other incidents. Iran has supported terror abroad but we've done far more to them than they ever did us.

Iran want nuclear weapons for the same reason North Korea wanted them, self preservation. We've all seen what happen to Gaddafi once he gave up his.


They actually have repeatedly attacked both Israel and the United States using terrorist groups as their proxies. It wouldn't surprise me if other countries have been attacked by Iranian backed terror groups.
Iran has been attacked by American and Israeli terrorist proxies as well, sometimes they don't even bother with the proxy.



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19 Nov 2012, 3:01 pm

Jacoby wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Paranoia about Iran has no basis in reality, what countries have they ever attacked? We overthrew their democratic government, installed our own dictator, supported an Iraqi invasion and war effort(we also gave Iran weapons in that war, thanks Reagan), shot down one of their civilian airliners, imposed sanctions, and countless other incidents. Iran has supported terror abroad but we've done far more to them than they ever did us.

Iran want nuclear weapons for the same reason North Korea wanted them, self preservation. We've all seen what happen to Gaddafi once he gave up his.


They actually have repeatedly attacked both Israel and the United States using terrorist groups as their proxies. It wouldn't surprise me if other countries have been attacked by Iranian backed terror groups.
Iran has been attacked by American and Israeli terrorist proxies as well, sometimes they don't even bother with the proxy.


You mean the Israelis bumping off Nuclear scientists to try to wreck Iran's work on nuclear weapons, can't say I blame the Israelis, considering the nutcase running Iran.

Btw, Israel also set back Saddam's nuclear program back when Reagan was President, by taking out the nuclear reactor just before it went online.



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19 Nov 2012, 5:08 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
As long as the ayatollah is in charge, then Israel would probably not be nuked. A militant muslim would probably not want Jerusalem (the 3. most sacred city to the muslims) to become a radioactive wasteland.

The pre-Gorbachev USSR and pre-Deng China were no better than Iran in terms of human-rights—and the former was far more imperialistic. Yet, none of the communist dictatorships ever launched any nukes.


Neither of them had a religion that promoted martyrdom.

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And neither of them had any sacred cities in the land of the enemy. Don't get me wrong: I don't like that Iran has nuclear weapons, but equally bad people have had nuclear weapons before the Iranian politicians.



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19 Nov 2012, 5:21 pm

Kurgan wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
As long as the ayatollah is in charge, then Israel would probably not be nuked. A militant muslim would probably not want Jerusalem (the 3. most sacred city to the muslims) to become a radioactive wasteland.

The pre-Gorbachev USSR and pre-Deng China were no better than Iran in terms of human-rights—and the former was far more imperialistic. Yet, none of the communist dictatorships ever launched any nukes.


Neither of them had a religion that promoted martyrdom.

ruveyn


And neither of them had any sacred cities in the land of the enemy. Don't get me wrong: I don't like that Iran has nuclear weapons, but equally bad people have had nuclear weapons before the Iranian politicians.


Those 'bad people' as you call them also had a firm instinct for self-preservation, they weren't out to become 'martyrdom.' Turning their "3rd holiest" city into a crater is perfectly acceptable to them, since it would result in the mass slaughter of "infidels." They don't even care if they die in the process, these other 'bad people' as you call them were not religious fanatics, that's the difference.



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19 Nov 2012, 5:24 pm

A big boom and me throwing a party.


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19 Nov 2012, 5:31 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
As long as the ayatollah is in charge, then Israel would probably not be nuked. A militant muslim would probably not want Jerusalem (the 3. most sacred city to the muslims) to become a radioactive wasteland.

The pre-Gorbachev USSR and pre-Deng China were no better than Iran in terms of human-rights—and the former was far more imperialistic. Yet, none of the communist dictatorships ever launched any nukes.


Neither of them had a religion that promoted martyrdom.

ruveyn


And neither of them had any sacred cities in the land of the enemy. Don't get me wrong: I don't like that Iran has nuclear weapons, but equally bad people have had nuclear weapons before the Iranian politicians.


Those 'bad people' as you call them also had a firm instinct for self-preservation, they weren't out to become 'martyrdom.' Turning their "3rd holiest" city into a crater is perfectly acceptable to them, since it would result in the mass slaughter of "infidels." They don't even care if they die in the process, these other 'bad people' as you call them were not religious fanatics, that's the difference.


The muslims consider Jerusalem to be sacred because they believe Jesus (to them a very important prophet) is buried there. Neither Mao nor Stalin or Brezhnev would have cared if their own people died, as long is it didn't stop THEIR cult of persona, kill them or destroy THEIR property. To be honest, they're nearly identical to Iranian politicians.

As crazy as Ahmadinejad and the Ayatollah may seem, neither are stupid. Both know that one nuke sent to Israel would give them the same fate as Saddam Hussein.



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19 Nov 2012, 6:27 pm

Kurgan wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
As long as the ayatollah is in charge, then Israel would probably not be nuked. A militant muslim would probably not want Jerusalem (the 3. most sacred city to the muslims) to become a radioactive wasteland.

The pre-Gorbachev USSR and pre-Deng China were no better than Iran in terms of human-rights—and the former was far more imperialistic. Yet, none of the communist dictatorships ever launched any nukes.


Neither of them had a religion that promoted martyrdom.

ruveyn


And neither of them had any sacred cities in the land of the enemy. Don't get me wrong: I don't like that Iran has nuclear weapons, but equally bad people have had nuclear weapons before the Iranian politicians.


Those 'bad people' as you call them also had a firm instinct for self-preservation, they weren't out to become 'martyrdom.' Turning their "3rd holiest" city into a crater is perfectly acceptable to them, since it would result in the mass slaughter of "infidels." They don't even care if they die in the process, these other 'bad people' as you call them were not religious fanatics, that's the difference.


The muslims consider Jerusalem to be sacred because they believe Jesus (to them a very important prophet) is buried there. Neither Mao nor Stalin or Brezhnev would have cared if their own people died, as long is it didn't stop THEIR cult of persona, kill them or destroy THEIR property. To be honest, they're nearly identical to Iranian politicians.

As crazy as Ahmadinejad and the Ayatollah may seem, neither are stupid. Both know that one nuke sent to Israel would give them the same fate as Saddam Hussein.


Again though Mao and Stalin weren't suicidal, because they were religious fanatics; egomaniacs yes, but they didn't believe in getting a ticket to paradise because they turned themselves into an explosive device and blew themselves up killing infidels.

Also, one can be fairly intelligent and still have a screw loose.



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19 Nov 2012, 8:00 pm

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A big boom and me throwing a party.


Really?



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20 Nov 2012, 1:13 am

Inuyasha wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
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Jacoby wrote:
Paranoia about Iran has no basis in reality, what countries have they ever attacked? We overthrew their democratic government, installed our own dictator, supported an Iraqi invasion and war effort(we also gave Iran weapons in that war, thanks Reagan), shot down one of their civilian airliners, imposed sanctions, and countless other incidents. Iran has supported terror abroad but we've done far more to them than they ever did us.

Iran want nuclear weapons for the same reason North Korea wanted them, self preservation. We've all seen what happen to Gaddafi once he gave up his.


They actually have repeatedly attacked both Israel and the United States using terrorist groups as their proxies. It wouldn't surprise me if other countries have been attacked by Iranian backed terror groups.
Iran has been attacked by American and Israeli terrorist proxies as well, sometimes they don't even bother with the proxy.


You mean the Israelis bumping off Nuclear scientists to try to wreck Iran's work on nuclear weapons, can't say I blame the Israelis, considering the nutcase running Iran.

Btw, Israel also set back Saddam's nuclear program back when Reagan was President, by taking out the nuclear reactor just before it went online.


That and supporting internal divisions and terrorists within Iran as a means of destabilizing them amongst countless other things. One could argue one side started it but the fact is it is a two way street.

Now Israel can do what they want, they just have to be the ones to live with the consequences. Leave the US out of it. Iran poses no credible threat to the US.



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20 Nov 2012, 3:43 pm

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A big boom and me throwing a party.


Really?


Yeah, haven't you heard?

Someone finally decided to complete that sloppy Holocaust job that Triple H couldn't finish during The Third Reich. A few megatons in Tel Aviv and Haifa should do the job... al-Husseini would be proud...



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20 Nov 2012, 6:35 pm

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puddingmouse wrote:
abacacus wrote:
A big boom and me throwing a party.


Really?


Yeah, haven't you heard?

Someone finally decided to complete that sloppy Holocaust job that Triple H couldn't finish during The Third Reich. A few megatons in Tel Aviv and Haifa should do the job... al-Husseini would be proud...


That why Hitler and 'Triple H' would have loved the idea of Israel. Why bother constructing a segregated territory when you can them to do it themselves.



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21 Nov 2012, 9:30 am

thomas81 wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
puddingmouse wrote:
abacacus wrote:
A big boom and me throwing a party.


Really?


Yeah, haven't you heard?

Someone finally decided to complete that sloppy Holocaust job that Triple H couldn't finish during The Third Reich. A few megatons in Tel Aviv and Haifa should do the job... al-Husseini would be proud...


That why Hitler and 'Triple H' would have loved the idea of Israel. Why bother constructing a segregated territory when you can them to do it themselves.


Don't celebrate just yet, antisemite. There are more Jews outside of The State of Israel than are in Israel. Getting rid of the Jews is not easy. It is probably impossible.

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