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Why would I do that? What does waiting prove? Wouldn't it be rational to search for those answers besides waiting on them to "appear?"



Your side. The side that pertains to knowing the "facts"



You systematically laid out why you believed what you believed pertaining to everything in existence. Words Do Matter

Best Regards,

Jake

No, it's because it's not reasonable at all. You assume the existence of only one version of a being that lacks any conclusive evidence for its existence, and try to live your life accordingly (although I suspect you fail a lot ... which beats the purpose of you trying to live for an entity such as the Christian god anyway).



How do you know? What if dragons do blow fiery hell on you if you don't believe in them?

You certainly haven't provided any evidence for your Christian God's existence. Why can't I propose that the dragons I speak of exist if you're happy enough to believe in God blindly?



So you are absolutely sure God exists then. Ok, where's the evidence for his existence that makes you so absolutely sure he exists?



If the answer can't be found, then what can any of us do about it? Nothing. It's not our fault we cant find it.

If the answers are impossible to find, what do you think is the rational thing to do? Lie to yourself and come up with your own truths? Or just accept there is no answer to be found so far?



Have you been paying much attention to my posts? If anything, I claim not to know all the facts.



I believe that I don't know the answers to everything to do with existence. There's a lot out there to be known and may never be known - whether by me or by you or by any other human being.

If you think my acceptance of lack of knowledge constitutes "belief" or "knowledge", ok, you have your own set of definitions for certain words. But semantics aside, I just don't know all the answers out there.

If you asked me if the invisible flying unicorn exists or not, I'd answer that I don't really know if such a thing exists but that there's no evidence to suggest that it does.

If you asked me if we live in an actual world or we're actually living in a dream someone else is dreaming, I'd also answer that I don't know but that I don't see evidence that we're in a dream.

You guys are totally breaking the first rule...

Your first rule, that is. It's not a rule I must agree with.

First off, failing doesn't defeat the point because the Christian God is forgiving.

My evidence for God is:

1. there is existence.
2. existence either A) began from a prime source (Which would be God) or B) has always been/burst into being spontaneously (pantheism)
3. therefore, no matter what, some sort of God exists.

Why the Christian God? I feel it makes the most sense. It is admittedly largely a matter of faith and ideology.

Your theory of dragons contradicts all known writings about dragons. If we were to assume dragons existed, I would trust the stories handed down for centuries to give a better account of what to expect them to be like than something you just made up.

My theory of God however doesn't contradict all known writings on the subject.

What if the answer can be found, but not by staring at my bedroom wall? what then?

You are essentially doing the exactly the same thing with Atheism, trying to justify "non-existence" Your version of Atheism and morality is agreeable to you and you follow it and your own personal pleasure. According to you, you can do no wrong, if it's not measurable it doesn't exist and "God" is an evil, vicious person. I believe the reason why you are like this is because of a negative experience and as a result, you are hyper-critical to "Christians" and religious and non-religious alike. Like I said, I don't object to you being an Atheist, I do object to you trying to directly attack me because my views are different from yours.

Do not involve my personal life in this discussion.



Then why in your thread do you superimpose your position as if you did? I want a direct answer.




Don't even go there.





And if the answer can be found, if it's willing to be examined and considered can I do something about, rather than waiting for it to appear?
I don't want to spend my life drifting for an answer. If there is an answer out there, I will find it. I want the satisfying answers with meaning. Can Atheism provide that for me? Where is the satisfying answers for Atheism? Is it is all aesthetic "Do As You Want?" Where is the purpose? What is the purpose? Where is the meaning? Are you searching for meaning in an otherwise meaningless world?

If Atheism has no purpose, therefore it has no meaning. If it has no meaning, you are drifting through life aimlessly searching for it.



Best Regards,

Jake

If it is true god or any other god exist its simple to stop praying as others will follow and the god or gods will lose power and cease to exist.

And that's where our disagreement is and my point is found. Thank you.


Best Regards,


Jake

What religion believes it is possible to make God cease to exist by not praying to them?

I think you're confusing religious scripture and D&D sourcebooks.

Hypocrite much? You involve my personal life in our overall interaction, too. How about you follow your own advice? Practice what you preach?

And in what way did I personally attack you? Lay off the persecution complex and don't let my disagreement get to you that much.



I see a lot of projecting going on from you. I try to be as clear and straightforward as possible. And I believe I have. You, on the other hand, have yet to make it clear what your position really is.



So you're saying you don't fail in life?



Wow, you have no idea what atheism really is. Atheism is regardless of what one believes about how to live one's life.

And let's say there aren't any ultimate answers out there. What do you do then? Come up with your own truths? Why?



I already said I'm not searching for any ultimate answer. And I'm too intellectually honest to just come up with my own answers.

I don't get it. You prefer lies to the truth?

According to what you believe, that is. Which is not founded upon any conclusive evidence.

Remember, even if you can show that God exists, you still need to demonstrate that it's the Christian God that exists. And not someone like Allah, for example.



You assume the prime source must be God. It could easily be something that doesn't have a mind but otherwise has identical attributes to God in that it is beyond time and space and can bring forth universes into existence (although with my proposition, it is done randomly since it lacks a conscious mind).

So rule out with logic my proposition first.



Exactly. There's no evidence for the Christian God.



Your logic is all flawed here. Just because something wasn't written about in history doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Just because no book in history mentions dragons or any creature doing such and such doesn't mean that they don't. But if there is no evidenc for dragons doing such and such, then it's reasonable to accept that it's likely that they don't as it's reasonable to accept that the Christian God likely does not exist.

Books written in history about entities for which we lack evidence do not constitute much evidence that we can rely on. Otherwise, we'd have to accept the existence of Allah, Zeus, Odin, Baal, Baldur, Heracles, etc. And let's face it, most Christians don't. And neither do atheists.



It certainly contradicts the reality of this world. An entity that supposedly loves and cares for the creatures of this world sure is showing the opposite when people suffer and get tortured because he stood by and did nothing (assuming he actually exists).



So how can the answer be found then? In your mind? That's too subjective for my liking.

I prefer truth, satisfying and meaningful truth.

Best Regards,

Jake

That could be said of the "Christian God" too. Or even Vishnu.

And if you can't find it, then?