Pyongyang orders its rockets on alert to hit US bases

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29 Mar 2013, 8:20 pm

Looks like he's ready.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/29/world/asi ... index.html


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29 Mar 2013, 8:46 pm

marshall wrote:
"A stated above, the DPRK has 3 political parties:

Workers' Party of Korea
Korean Social Democratic Party
Chongdoist Chungu Party (Religious)

These parties are not opposition parties. They do not challenge Workers Party of Korea, but they are working side by side with it, and they share common goals. These two parties work hand in had with the main KWP in order to achieve its nation building and they do not confront KWP in achieving their objectives but instead via consultations."

That doesn't sound like "democracy" to me. The WPK obviously calls all the shots. :roll:

Those parties are all sock puppets. Nobody second guesses the Kim family- even their parliament. It's basically like playing Simon Says under the watch of a machine gun tower, and armed thugs haul away those that are "out".


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29 Mar 2013, 11:11 pm

John_Browning wrote:
marshall wrote:
"A stated above, the DPRK has 3 political parties:

Workers' Party of Korea
Korean Social Democratic Party
Chongdoist Chungu Party (Religious)

These parties are not opposition parties. They do not challenge Workers Party of Korea, but they are working side by side with it, and they share common goals. These two parties work hand in had with the main KWP in order to achieve its nation building and they do not confront KWP in achieving their objectives but instead via consultations."

That doesn't sound like "democracy" to me. The WPK obviously calls all the shots. :roll:

Those parties are all sock puppets. Nobody second guesses the Kim family- even their parliament. It's basically like playing Simon Says under the watch of a machine gun tower, and armed thugs haul away those that are "out".


I don't think Kim Jong Un is smart enough to call all the shots.



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30 Mar 2013, 12:24 am

They want food aid, and to increase patriotism. It is not becoming of a brainwashed communist society to have succession within a family, there is no other example on Earth. Kim Jong Un wants to increase his prestige and get food aid. If Kaesong is closed, then we might want to worry, but there is really no other proper indication on the state of things that would cause me to worry.



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30 Mar 2013, 3:03 am

They make these threats all the time. That's why I'm not worried about them.



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30 Mar 2013, 6:19 am

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Centrally organized economies with fixed prices/credits (whatever you want to call the means through which people obtain goods) tend to lead to supply shortages. This is because people generally don't know how much of something to produce without a price incentive. When something is scarce, the fact that someone can sell for a high price encourages them to produce more and if competition is allowed scarcity goes down and prices fall. This is a flaw that the Soviets and Chinese acknowledged. The only way I can see how a system with no price system could function is if technology existed such that all goods could be produced locally.


Price is the language with which Supply and and Demand speak to each other.

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30 Mar 2013, 9:39 am

heres why American reaction is disproportional.

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30 Mar 2013, 9:43 am

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North Korea is going to dissolve no-one, least of all the USA unless we are all grossly misinformed about their ballistic missile and nuclear warhead arsenal.

Not even Anchorage or Honolulu is within the range of their Taepodong 2 missile, let alone LA or Austin.


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30 Mar 2013, 10:44 am

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If you are overly worried about nukes, Pyongyang could be bombed to flinders with conventional weapons.

The water supply could be interdicted by a few well placed bombs. The power stations could easily be taken out. The best time to do it is in the winter when it gets really cold.

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I hope you don't really mean that this is a desirable course of action. Sure, this unstable state is bad, but it's still 100 times better than actual war. I've never been in a war (and hope I never am), but I know enough to convince me it's a terrible thing and there are no winners. Threat of war is a regular part of international relations, but actual war should be avoided at almost any cost.



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30 Mar 2013, 11:11 am

FMX wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
If you are overly worried about nukes, Pyongyang could be bombed to flinders with conventional weapons.

The water supply could be interdicted by a few well placed bombs. The power stations could easily be taken out. The best time to do it is in the winter when it gets really cold.

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I hope you don't really mean that this is a desirable course of action. Sure, this unstable state is bad, but it's still 100 times better than actual war. I've never been in a war (and hope I never am), but I know enough to convince me it's a terrible thing and there are no winners. Threat of war is a regular part of international relations, but actual war should be avoided at almost any cost.


Technically speaking, North Korea and the USA are already at war.

The original Korean war never ended.


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30 Mar 2013, 12:25 pm

marshall wrote:
John_Browning wrote:
marshall wrote:
"A stated above, the DPRK has 3 political parties:

Workers' Party of Korea
Korean Social Democratic Party
Chongdoist Chungu Party (Religious)

These parties are not opposition parties. They do not challenge Workers Party of Korea, but they are working side by side with it, and they share common goals. These two parties work hand in had with the main KWP in order to achieve its nation building and they do not confront KWP in achieving their objectives but instead via consultations."

That doesn't sound like "democracy" to me. The WPK obviously calls all the shots. :roll:

Those parties are all sock puppets. Nobody second guesses the Kim family- even their parliament. It's basically like playing Simon Says under the watch of a machine gun tower, and armed thugs haul away those that are "out".


I don't think Kim Jong Un is smart enough to call all the shots.

True, though whether he calls the shots or not depends on if anyone is brave enough to accuse him of being too stupid to have them kidnapped and executed. It may be that if he was in a western society he would probably be the subject of partial conservatorship, but he inherited a huge security apparatus. Perhaps there are generals and party officials that hated the guy since was was a teenager, but it may be a long time before any of them test the waters to feel out who else might feel the same way. But still, others that may hate him are liable to remain loyal out of fear that someone else will turn them in- even someone that also secretly hates him but wants to save their own skin. If even a simple majority of his subordinates all realized at once that they all have no confidence in him, he'd be in trouble.


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30 Mar 2013, 12:43 pm

ruveyn wrote:
If you are overly worried about nukes, Pyongyang could be bombed to flinders with conventional weapons.

The water supply could be interdicted by a few well placed bombs. The power stations could easily be taken out. The best time to do it is in the winter when it gets really cold.

ruveyn

Most buildings in the country do not have indoor plumbing or wiring for electricity. The vast majority of those with electricity are on a schedule of rolling blackouts where the power is off far more than it's on- in some cases as little as 6 hours every other week. Using a total war doctrine in NK this time around probably wouldn't be very efficient, since apart from political military structures and installations they have slightly more infrastructure than Somalia or Vietnam...and far less than Iraq.


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30 Mar 2013, 1:31 pm

thomas81 wrote:
FMX wrote:
I hope you don't really mean that this is a desirable course of action. Sure, this unstable state is bad, but it's still 100 times better than actual war. I've never been in a war (and hope I never am), but I know enough to convince me it's a terrible thing and there are no winners. Threat of war is a regular part of international relations, but actual war should be avoided at almost any cost.


Technically speaking...


If you were an NT that comment would have annoyed me, because I'd assume you're deliberately ignoring my point, but as you are an aspie, I'll just laugh. :lol:



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30 Mar 2013, 3:21 pm

It's just a bit too stupid. Like Gaddafi. If there is any conclusion to take out of history then North Korea will soon end.



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30 Mar 2013, 3:31 pm

John_Browning wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
If you are overly worried about nukes, Pyongyang could be bombed to flinders with conventional weapons.

The water supply could be interdicted by a few well placed bombs. The power stations could easily be taken out. The best time to do it is in the winter when it gets really cold.

ruveyn

Most buildings in the country do not have indoor plumbing or wiring for electricity. The vast majority of those with electricity are on a schedule of rolling blackouts where the power is off far more than it's on- in some cases as little as 6 hours every other week. Using a total war doctrine in NK this time around probably wouldn't be very efficient, since apart from political military structures and installations they have slightly more infrastructure than Somalia or Vietnam...and far less than Iraq.


Then they won't mind a 24 hour blackout.

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30 Mar 2013, 4:41 pm

Sosiologismus wrote:
It's just a bit too stupid. Like Gaddafi. If there is any conclusion to take out of history then North Korea will soon end.


I think if anything, NK is learning from Gadaffi's mistake.

NATO attacked the arab Jamahiriya in spite of it demilitarising.


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