Why do scientists hate God?
0_equals_true wrote:
There is no reason for there to be any conflict, so long as they aren't trying to interfere in each other's affairs.
and that is why I speak up when well-meaning but badly misinformed people lobby school boards and legislatures at all levels across this country to legislate ignorance and force religion into science classrooms where it does not belong! There are fundamental differences between science and religion. If there were any evidence for creationism (at least the young earth type which is what most of the nut jobs believe) it WOULD be presented as a viable alternative to evolution. Sadly for creationists, the nested hierarchies of many different types of data really don't make any sense at all unless evolution happens. Even worse, the fossil record shows the same tree of life as is derived from the nested hierarchies of data, and that also matches the genetic data, etc.
Evolution is probably one of the greatest scientific realizations ever made by humans, and it is supported by more evidence of more different types all pointing to the same reality than any other scientific idea I am aware of. But somehow half the adults in the USA seem to think there is some doubt about whether or not it really happens. This is just as STUPID as if half the adults in this country seriously believed the earth is flat in spite of all evidence to the contrary, or that there is no such thing as gravity. Come on! Don't let them dumb down our kids! Teach the science!
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Bezeone wrote:
I'm a Christan and I think manipulating somebody for Jesus Christ is a sin...
Then you are in a minority - of one - if what you've posted is the truth.
Exactly how each and every one of them thinks? No, I do not.
Generally how they all think? Yes, definitely. Remember, I've been through seminary school, I've been a church elder, and I regularly attend church services 2 or 3 times a week.
Manipulation is both part and parcel of hard-core Christians' evangelical methods. Chick Tracts are a prime example - they're used to inspire fear and guilt in young people (their target audience), and convince them that they must conform to the will of a loving and compassionate God, or face an eternity of unremitting torment in a "Lake of Fire". This is based on a collection of largely apocryphal stories that were passed down orally by illiterate nomads since the late Stone Age, and put into writing only during the last 2500 years or so.
The really sad part of it is that most Christians don't see it as "Manipulation"; they call it "Witnessing" instead.
Most Christians aren't hard-core Evangelicals. The Evangelicals are certainly loud - but they would seem to renounce Christianity as such when they engage in such tactics.
You might recall a bit where Moses was supposed to have come down from a mountain with tablets containing God's instructions to His followers. One of the Big Ten, one never negated by anything following, was against the bearing of false witness. That one's a ticket straight to Sheol, and by the beliefs of those who do it, that's where they're headed. They try to justify it to themselves, to be sure...
I would also take issue with the claim that Christians as a bloc don't "believe" in evolution. That's rather a simplistic take; there are those who have a need to believe in a literal interpretation of Scripture, but there are quite a few more who understand the concept of "metaphor" and "allegory". I was raised United Methodist; the UMC is more than willing to consider the available evidence that we all evolved precisely as described by science, even if they would place God as the One Who caused the evolution. After all, Man is made in God's image, right? Except that when you look at humans, there's an incredible variance in appearance - which Man was made in His image? The UMC would answer that we are made in God's image as thinking beings capable of moral action, rather than being driven by instinct like the other animals.
If God made Man, then He gave us the intelligence to consider how the universe came to be. Is it not an insult to Him to repudiate His gift, and refuse to examine His universe?
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AspieOtaku wrote:
BeautifulTechno wrote:
René Descartes wanted to find the basis of our knowledge. (Rationalism)
Scientists are trying to examine this "Higgs Boson", pretty much to confirm the Science's paradigm and how our world was when Big Bang occured. (Empiricism)
Both are trying to get the basis, their own way. The so called "Agnostic Scientists" are trying to contradict the idea of a almighty figure and in that aspect they can hate God - if it is hard to rationally prove that there's a God then it is equally prove that he doesn't exist.
Scientists can have creeds too. Science doesn't imply that you have to be an imperious ATHEIST.
Precisely a scientist can be a believer but will have to apply both and merge both in one based on accurate facts to work out. Example most Christians dont believe in evolution and that god created all life forms perfectly and that the earth is only 6k years old etc, how about this lets say gods interpretation of the world and life and the universe taking only like 6 days = 6 billion years and that gods perfect designs were meant to evolve to stay perfect to evolve over time!Scientists are trying to examine this "Higgs Boson", pretty much to confirm the Science's paradigm and how our world was when Big Bang occured. (Empiricism)
Both are trying to get the basis, their own way. The so called "Agnostic Scientists" are trying to contradict the idea of a almighty figure and in that aspect they can hate God - if it is hard to rationally prove that there's a God then it is equally prove that he doesn't exist.
Scientists can have creeds too. Science doesn't imply that you have to be an imperious ATHEIST.
Exactly. Regardless the lack of empathy between Religion and Science, some scientists are Christians. The regular definition of Science revokes Religion but this is quite hypocritical because there's Science's dedicated to Christianity, for example(called Christian Science) - If you want to know more about it, click here. BUT the paradigm of Science is based on the abnegation of religious beliefs and based on Empiricism.
That's a good point. If we have these innate ideas of God(in the sense that they are imposed by the people that are around us) where he is omnipotent and omniscient, he could do that - but how can we prove that?
Any thoughts?
