Spanking - abuse or effective

Post Reply New Topic

Misinterpretations of stupid Bible verses.

Specifically, "Suffer the little children."

It would be better just to burn the f*****g Bibles.

Or people that call themself christians simply could start to accept, that jesus opposed the old testament. Thats why the jews were so f****d up with him and "sold" him to the romans. The whole story about jesus is about the change from the old to the new testament, from a god that punished for misbehaving and demanded the firstbone sons to be sacrificed to him, to a god that is willing to sacrifice his own son for humans. I dont know, why people, calling themselfs christians always tell something about the old testament, ignoring the new testament that is the foundation of christianity. If someone wants to preach me about the old testament, I want an official declaration that this person already has sacrificed his or her firstborn son to god, as it is ordered by god in the old testament in the book Moses. Or else they shall shut up and not tell me about a book, they denie themself.

That "suffer the little children" s**t actually comes from

A gross misinterpretation, on the part of our ignorant Bible-believing "Christians", that little children ought to suffer.

And, the fact of the matter is,

http://www.baltimorecountymd.gov/agenci ... abuse.html

most prison inmates were beaten and abused as children.

At least they didn't grow up to be "spoiled" adults.

The word "Suffer" there is not used in the way of "pain and suffering". It means "allow". It was used like that quite often hundreds of years ago, which is when the bible was translated into English. You could find it in many other works used that way if you look.

Yes, I know. Many Christians don't.



This translation actually passes Ruveyn's Isaiah 7:14 litmus test.

To my knowldge, every child is diferent, so wher to some it mght not be very efective discipline technique, othres it may. Also needs to be doen in some moderatin - if yuor spankin yuor child every day, thats abuse, wahtever reason you keep doing it for, in my opeinion.

I have a son, and a few tiems ive spankd him before, mostly becuse my disaproval made vocal wasnt enogh to make him adjust his behviour. He taks it very seriusly thuogh, and usuly knows not to do whatevre he wasnt suposed to again after that. Ive only evre used my hand, becuse to my memory as a child, hand ws more tahn enogh, and I haev strong reservatins against a switch or belt becuse of experinces from my father. Spankin used to devestate me emotionaly as a child, but my fathre did much worse things which did more mentall damage, such as actual beatin with fists and/or feet, so Im somewaht of the opinion that spanking is not so big a deal save undr the exceptions/conditions I listed.

Im not really qulified to say whethre shuold be used with kids on the spectruum - Ive only been diagnosd with aspergers recently, as an adult, and havnt realy known many othres on the spectrum in my life, so only know so muchh beyond how it relates to me.

When you spank child, you are even barely hitting them. It's more like a hard pat in the butt. I have seen it. The kid cries but only for a few seconds and then they are done and are back to normal. When you hit their bare skin, they cry but only for maybe two minutes and then they are done. You are not hitting them hard. Spank a toddler, it has no effect because their diapers pad their bottom so you would have to hit their sides instead.

I think people have the wrong concept what a spanking is, they picture beatings and leaving marks and bruises and them being hurt. It's nothing like that and if someone did "spank" their child and it left a mark or a bruise, then they would be charged with child abuse.

I remember a scene in a movie called A child Lost Forever and it's about Dennis Jergins and it's based on his case and in the movie his adoptive mother beats him and he has bruises. That isn't a spanking and that is probably what anti spankers think that is what a spanking is. But it sure didn't get Dennis to mind his mother. He was still stubborn and didn't listen to her. That is not us spankers do to our kids when we spank them and certainly not for a long time or for a few minutes. It's only a few swats or one.


Truth is, lot of parents still spank their kids or have before and they are just quiet about it. I read in a parenting magazine 4 out of 5 parents have spanked or do it and that is a lot. And I thought it was being phased out but it's not. People are just private about it now. I used to see kids get spanked in public and last time I saw it was in 2008 and it shocked me only because I couldn't remember the last time I saw a kid get spanked. She kept telling her kid over and over to stay with her, get over here, stop this, stop that, and then finally she spanked him and he behaved after that. He kept messing with the chain at a bus stop and she kept telling him over to stop and come here, stay. Only thing I didn't see her do like my mother always did was asking him if he wants a spanking. But do I judge the mother for it? No. I just think I would have handled it differently if I were in that situation and it would have been asking him if he wants a spanking or hold him in my hand and let him scream and holler and then I tell him to leave the chain fence alone or I will hold him again and not let go until the bus comes. But what am I saying, it's easy to judge when you don't know the child. For some kids, they don't behave until they are spanked because nothing else is effective. Some never need to be spanked again after that because they know it will come so other approaches work with them finally.

We hugged and cuddled our kids,and they always got bedtime stories.

I was hugged too and also got read bed time stories to.

Really starting to grasp at straws now.


I don’t think so. Grandpa’s old razor strap would feel marginalized and that just wouldn’t be right.


Huggings were delegated to grandparents in my family. Besides, some people on the spectrum don't like that kind of close contact and I'm no exception.


At least you know they’re thinking about you.


Do you still have that beating map?
You know; the one that shows spanking laws by state politics.


/\ A good reason to keep a Bible and read it religiously, no pun intended.

There is something called Battered Child Syndrome

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictio ... d+syndrome

But most of the information seems to be about injuries and physical pain.

If you look up Stockholm Syndrome

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome



Some people stated above that they felt that they deserved all of the beatings that they had received. In many cases they have also come to defend the aggressor, and eventually to hold the same values as the aggressor. So, Stockholm Syndrome seems to describe the psychologic impacts fairly accurately.

Any psychologists present: feel free to chime in.




So you liked the beatings, then?



Apparently so. Do any effects from your childhood beatings linger into adulthood? For example, as Jean Jacques Rousseau confessed above?



Here is a table

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0934191.html

New Jersey was the first state to ban the flogging of students in 1867. The next was Massachusetts, more than 100 years later.



If you are going to read it, then read it critically, and NOT religiously. There is a lot of fun stuff in there.

I always prefer breaded over battered but I guess it’s a matter of personal preference.



Cool, next time I’m in Stockholm I’ll remember to beat someone.


Yes, nothing like a good sound thrashing to help one sleep better through the night.


Well, I’m not in prison and not a bum. None of us beaters and beatee’s from the Von Raptor clan have ever been in the pen or have been bums.



The only Jean Jacques I’ve ever known was a rather annoying wispy little French neighbor we had.



What an example! You couldn’t pay me enough to live in New Joyzie or Massachusucks.
May as well just move to North Korea.



Blasphemy!


How much longer are you going to try to get this thread locked and each of us a TOS.
Well, I’ll get one since I’m the conservative and therefor at fault for everything.

Using the word "beat" to refer to a spanking is simply a way to play on emotions. Nobody can justify actually beating a child, but spankings are justifiable. While technically, whats done during a spanking can be called "beating", in our vernacular "beating" is usually reserved for physical actions which are severe and which a normal spanking would not qualify for. Actual, normal, every day spankings do not leave bruises or marks or welts. They do not leave terrible psychological problems the way abuse would.

If I were against spanking and trying to convince others to agree with me, of course I would use emotionally charged words and try to exaggerate spanking into something that it's not. It's always possible to twist words to make something sound worse or milder than it actually is, and working someone up by using emotionally charged words is not very good to base any argument on.

It's the same as when pro lifers say that abortion is murdering a baby, or pro choicers say that it's removing a clump or cells from a woman's body. Both sentences are true but they are used to paint abortion as either the ultimate atrocity or something that has no more ethical implications than a root canal.

So, you can continue to refer to spankings as beatings and other such overstatements but doing so weakens your argument because in the minds of most people a spanking is very different from a beating.

And that's exactly why our boy AP uses the term "beating" instead of the more appropriate (and accurate) "spanking" or "whuppin".
All it gets out of me is humor.

Sometimes people use the word beating for humor. Like I shared something on my Facebook wall that parents beat their kids asses back in the days to teach them respect. Now kids these days don't show it due to not getting their asses beaten. I knew it meant spanking and nothing horrible and they didn't mean that is all parents did in the days and nothing else.
I have seen people say online they always had their asses kicked and I always think they mean discipline, not being beaten up.

But with actual abuse that happens, people take these seriously when someone does humor about it using the words "beaten" or "whippin."