Would an autistic communist nation survive longer than a NT?

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01 Jun 2013, 8:40 pm

Communism (Economic system) =/= "Communist" bureaucrats



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02 Jun 2013, 5:56 am

As most threads involving communism tend to do, this one has rapidly ventured into No True Scotsman territory... :roll:



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02 Jun 2013, 12:02 pm

GGPViper wrote:
As most threads involving communism tend to do, this one has rapidly ventured into No True Scotsman territory... :roll:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

You two are implying because I advocate communism I advocate state power. Lenin and Stalin's transitional stage is not communism. They could of thought they were leading the country towards communism, but that doesn't make the economic system communist, it was state socialism. I haven't made any logical fallacys.



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02 Jun 2013, 1:03 pm

I never said Karl Marx wasn't a communist, that quote is describing state socialism, the thing he thought would eventually lead to Communism. You are now just resorting to bully tactics.



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02 Jun 2013, 1:07 pm

Historical fact has proved just how far removed from reality Karl Marx was.

Whenever the Proles take over the only activity that will succeed is f*cking and excessive beer drinking.

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02 Jun 2013, 1:21 pm

Nope implementing and maintaining a communist nation goes against human nature and will fail long term, no matter if the society is autistic or non-autistic. Same goes for any "pure" ideological system including a Capitalistic society.

I do not believe in such extremist ideals and think a mixture of various ideals/laws works the best.



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02 Jun 2013, 4:44 pm

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Whenever the Proles take over the only activity that will succeed is f*cking and excessive beer drinking.

That and punishing their bourgeois enemies, real and imaginary.....


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02 Jun 2013, 6:23 pm

The Proles do not take over but rather decide who their leaders will be.



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02 Jun 2013, 7:47 pm

Grimdalus wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
Grimdalus wrote:
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Disclaimer: Any bashing of communism, Ho Chi Minh, Leon Trotsky and/or Vladimir Lenin will not be tolerated.


BANG!

Elaboration?


I think they're pointing out what would happen to anyone who criticized one of those men while under their regime...

Uncle Ho? Unlikely. He was a fair man. Trotsky? Possibly, but he was for communist democracy. Lenin? No. Lenin was a good man. They were al benevolent people.


I assume that you are being facetious.



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02 Jun 2013, 7:50 pm

Of course it would mean order routine and efficiency!


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02 Jun 2013, 8:07 pm

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Stop being straw man and claiming I am spoilt. The USSR stopped being true communist when Stalin rose to power. USSR is like the first French Republic. The amazing wealth that will not be shared. The whole concept of communism is fairness.


You would define fairness as being equality at the lowest common denominator? Nobody is permitted to excel above others because it would be unfair to the lowest?



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02 Jun 2013, 9:30 pm

Conservatives define fairness as a responsibility of the poor to transfer wealth to the rich.



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02 Jun 2013, 9:33 pm

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Conservatives define fairness as a responsibility of the poor to transfer wealth to the rich.


How?


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03 Jun 2013, 2:45 am

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Conservatives define fairness as a responsibility of the poor to transfer wealth to the rich.


That is about as crazy a statement as I have ever seen.

But go ahead and try to support it. If conservatives actually were to define fairness in that manner, then there would be plenty of statements to that effect. Where are they?



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03 Jun 2013, 3:43 am

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I hate socialism. Bunch of despots.

Give me freedom and all that.

(The only autistic society that'd work would probably be something akin to anarchy (which would be there by chance, not design). It's like asking for a majority of lone wolves whom don't have empathy to work together.)


I dont see myself as an empathless lone wolf. I see myself as a logic dominated being, and from logic views communism is functioning. Its only NTs desire for ape-behaviour, fighting for Alpha positions and such nonsense that let our societies people choose to buy themselves nonsense to increase in the ape hierarchy instead of helping someone else, that still needs basic resources. A lot of the ressources we have are wasted for such nonsense, that has no other use, then to play the ape-hierarchy game. Who can afford new cloths every saison, who can afford a bigger car he dont need, who can afford the new I-phone that cant do anything else then the other 18 month old useless I-phone... the more needless nonsense you can afford to buy, the bigger chimp you are. If others wouldnt really need that ressources, there would be nothing bad about it. No cause to denie yourself some luxury, as long as everyone as good as possible provided, with what you need for basic living. But as long as we are still behaving like previous described as a society communism wont work, because there will always be people with self esteem issues, that need stuff to proof themselves that they are great chimps, and if they live in a system where they cant do that regularly, then they will break the rules and turn the system into a tyranny.

But for me personally, if I ever quit society, I would join one of the existing communes in europe to be free of all that stuff and fighting for nonsense that is nothing more than an animal relict of us. Stay up, do your work, done. No fighting for chimpglory, no feeling sad because of always loosing the fighting for chimpglory, no pressure to involve yourself in the chimpglory games... Many people that simply didnt fit with modern society, found a peaceful place there, where their work is accepted.