Tropes vs Women in Video Games: Ms. Male Chararacter"

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you have the right to NOT buy video games you don't like. how many times must i repeat this? it's a free society. the gaming industry only care about making money don't like it start your own gaming company and make your own video games that pander to your views. making money by complaining about games you don't like calling it patriarchy and sexism and not telling donors what you are doing with the money is what pissed of
gaming community


feminists are hypocrites if they allow a man to do all the thinking for themselves. Anita was not like this before she met Jonathan. they are hypocrites if they whine about gender stereotypes and dress in feminine attire in all the videos. and yes i know what feminism is it is superior rights for women. feminism has lost its egalitarian nature and want to create a society where women are superior to men. you never see them being outraged at female teachers having sex with underage students, women getting lighter sentences than men for the same crimes committed, etc






she never presented any evidence of these threats and harassments. there was no police statements and reports she did this to get attention. but she has no problem with a fan fiction where she torture and murder a man for created a video game she does not like. dishing it out and cannot take it this is anita's way





again there are no evidence of the threats and harrasments she got there are no police reports and statements. in a video lecture she talked about threats and laughing and claim she got them before she started the kickstart aka whine fest crusade




the videos are about her whining about video games she does not like. games are not sexist just because you don't like them.




yes she has that right she does not have the right to use it to scam people out of thier money





i never said that women who dressed sexy deserved to be harassed. and yes she is a hypocrite a liar and a scam artist. she complains about female characters in video games she does not like dressing in feminine attire which identify them as female while hypocritically dress in the same identifiers in her videos




you are white knight for defending a known scam artist





all her scamming activities are from her previous webpages and videos. she put them on the web for all to see and no i am a concern citizen objecting to illegal activities like obtaining money by deception, tax dodging, allowing tax funded colleges to host a scam artist and a liar, etc. if i don't like a game i don't buy it.

I don't know if she's a scam artist or not but the saying 'a fool and his money are soon separated' comes to mind for the people that donated, I do not feel bad for them. Six figures+ for a bunch of youtube videos detailing female depictions in video games? There are almost an infinite amount of other things you could donate your money to that actually helps women.

^^^^Yes indeed,like day care and education for single moms.

I'm a guy (and a very heterosexual, cis-gendered one at that), but more often than not I play female characters in RPGs. What can I say, I like playing hot chicks who can kick butt.

It's ironic that stereotypically male media like video games and comic books receive most of the public scrutiny for misogyny, because I swear I've seen even worse gender stereotyping in products aimed at female consumers. I've visited enough toy stores to notice that the pink girls' aisles are still crowded by stereotypically passive, girly characters like Barbie, Bratz, or the Disney princesses. I haven't seen many Wonder Woman or Lara Croft types represented in these aisles by contrast. It's like we boys get all the cool action heroines whereas the ladies are stuck with dress-up dolls.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlL5zX8uY4E[/youtube]

LOL I made you so mad that you got incoherent and unable to quote properly. Ten troll points for LKL!
Wrt. Watson's joke: turnabout is fair play.

Just out of curiosity, where do you draw the line between 'whining about a product you use' and 'legitimate criticism of a product that you use, but would like to see improved'?

How much of an issue is this, really? It's bad from a feminist standpoint, actually, because it would imply that women have less agency than men in the eyes of the law; but I don't see how much of an issue it really is.

Adults raping underage students is always a problem, but do you have any statistical evidence that there is an "epidemic" of female (as opposed to male) teachers raping their students?

Again, any statistical evidence for this, beyond your tortured, paranoid mind?

You have done.


'Cause a woman couldn't possibly have thought this up for herself, amIrite? (/sarcasm)

http://www.kickstarter.com/help/faq/cre ... #faq_41817
http://www.kickstarter.com/help/faq/cre ... #faq_53715
She initially asked for $6K to do the entire series, which could be about a month's living depending on what city she's in. The reason that she got so much is that people willingly donated above and beyond her request as a form of protest against the harassment that she was receiving. In other words, MRAs, your harassment backfired.
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/inter ... ment-looks
http://www.feministfrequency.com/2012/0 ... -misogyny/
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/wor ... le4405585/
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/02/us/se ... .html?_r=0
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/inter ... thing-nice
http://www.newstatesman.com/voices/2012 ... stic-abuse
http://www.dailydot.com/entertainment/s ... 3-damsels/


If you don't like the pesticides, don't buy the produce! And gods forbid you ever say anything against pesticides on the internet!

Not aimed at me, I know, but this is one of the more important questions regarding Sarkeesian.

Among the leading problems I have with Sarkeesian is that her planning and execution are terrible, and that rational discussion of her work has been rendered near-impossible by the vast quantities of bile her followers and detractors sling at each other.

Nothing I have seen in her videos constitutes 'legitimate criticism'. If anything, all she has demonstrated is her complete ignorance of the entire industry. Her 'research' consisted of asking her followers to provide a list of games that they thought were sexist. Her original goal was to showcase how sexism exists in gaming today, and yet an overwhelming majority of her (very weak) arguments have been centred on second-hand information about arcade machines and console games from the 70's through early 90's, without so much as touching on the relative restrictions of early platforms, the development background or the target audience of what is, after all, a for-profit medium. Anita just doesn't understand the medium she's trying to discuss, and clearly has no intention to rectify this.

From Talk Amongst Yourselves (well worth a read): Full Article Here



The smart thing to do is to ignore Sarkeesian - I'm actually a little disappointed to find a thread about her on WP. Good journalism should be free of bias or political motivation. Good journalism is objective and endeavours to provide all the facts. Good journalism seeks to disseminate truth above all else. Anita Sarkeesian is not a good journalist, by any definition.

Thats pretty much for me the same. I am neither interested in playing the pink glitter barbie, nor the bigboob-barbie. Bratz and Lara Croft, which you see in opposition, are simply the same s**t. ^^ You are talking about a cool action heroine, but how cool can someone be, whose thoughts seem to cicle about the greates possible breast enlargement. Would you think of an male hero as cool, who would bother all the time for pleasing little girls, by riding on pink glitter unicorns and writing lovesick poems? ^^

I think before more woman get into the gaming industry, there wont be much change. I dont think, that actual studios were not trying to focus on the changing market. It was stupid if they did not want to acchieve more money by pleasing more gamers. So I do think, some studios do have good oppinions. But that sometimes does not help to overcome social prejudices.

Its as if a bunch of teenager glitternail cheerleaders, create the next "Max Payne" game. "So I think the main character should look much more cute again. Because why should a boy not be interested in being cute. In the last game the main character had such a rough and unclean impact, he wasnt even shaved freshly. And in the last game the character was far too old. I mean who had that idea...nobody likes to play old senior people, they are lame. ..." ^^

So at least I do see good purposes on games and as well appreciate the oppinion behind it, still sometimes you cant help but simply cry or laugh about, to where that leads.

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this video is about 1 hour jordanowen42 debunking anita scam artist sarkeesian whine fest and complaining about crap she does not like

here is an example

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?id=9140824


http://articles.philly.com/2013-10-08/n ... t-messages

I believe she says at the beginning of every video she has ever uploaded that you can enjoy a game and at the same time be critical of some of it's aspects.



She doesn't allow comments on her YouTube videos because back when she did, she got a lot of sexist comments on them.


Unless you say or do something misandric, you're not a feminazi.

isnt she just trolling for attention/ video views?

As for the rest. I think the sex being male for a lot of computer games.... its just as default. I dont think anything has ever been meant by it.

how about that description of a computer game from waynes world, as its on my mind right now.


Zantar is a gelatinous cube

that eats warriors in a village.

If you eat a chieftain,

you go up a level.

Beauty is, you can't

get to the next level,

kids keep coughing up quarters.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4MBZnaz4CM[/youtube]


i dont think much should be made from any sex in a computer game. None of the characters are anything more than 2d plot devices to put some kind of context on what you're doing within the game. Its more like, we have to put a character in because its the done thing, so they give it a name and make it a character because its just the natural thing to do for a human person making a computer game. Add some character details, a background, a sex,, which is obviously going to be male because its the default when your audience is male. thats all there is to.

I dunno, its just one of those things where people assign meaning where there was never any to begin with. I hate people bringing politics into everything .

dont even start with sexual orientation for a computer game character. If its not mentioned we can call it undetermined and leave it at that, gay people sure as hell dont all wear pink and talk in a squeaky voice so almost every character thats ever not had it stated he's straight could easily be gay.

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My female shephard wants a sexy-hexy male stripper, to waste her money on. If you think thats so horrible political, I cant help you. ^^ There is a whole galaxy with a sexy-hexy female race, having a 4 century horny phase, but I dont get even one lousy malestripper and have to wait for two lousy cutscenes in the whole series to see a sexy halfnaked male ass.

About the cheese, I prefer french ones.

That's still an ad hominem and it still has nothing to do with the points that she is making.



She is making and producing the videos that she promised that she would make on the Kickstarter page. Therefore it is not a scam because her backers are getting exactly what they payed for. How is this hard to understand? If you did not back the project, then it's got nothing to do with you. Also, she did not ask for $160,000, she only asked for $6000. It was due to the harassment that she received after the mere mention of what her project was about that got many people to sympathise with her and therefore donate to her as a form of protest.



Actually, the gaming industry does need it's customers to tell them what they want. Game publishers are sometimes actually out of touch with reality with respect to who are buying their games. The fact that modern games are often still marketed to the same demographic as they were 20 or 30 years ago, despite the change in demographics is not always the fault of the game developers either. Game developers are adapting to the new gamer demographic of gamers over 32 by having more mature content and sometimes want to include stuff that appeal more to female gamers but sometimes the publishers actually tell them not to include features or reduce them so that they can still market them to 10 - 15 year old boys. Also, if I buy a game, I have a right to be critical of it's content and telling just gamers not to buy the games are unhelpful if the majority of the games or even virtually all of them have the things that they do not like. The games can never improve either if we don't tell them what we like and we don't like, that's the whole point of criticism.



Yes, despite the fact that I think that there are some valid criticisms of Anita Sarkeesian's videos and despite the fact that I've made them in the past, the very fact that I'm defending her now, both against harassment as well as just BS rebuttals, just means that I want to sleep with her. I don't even live the country as her, grow the f**k up. It seems like you're the one wanting to get laid and you're just projecting.

Whose fault is that exactly? Perhaps the people who started harassing her with rape and death threats after she proposed the Kickstarter project? If it wasn't for them then we wouldn't have this issue. I started this thread precisely to have a rational discussion of her work. There are some legitimate criticisms, however there's so much BS from her haters as well that takes almost forever to sift through all the BS in order to find the legitimate criticisms.



I disagree. I don't agree with everything she says and she does make some mistakes, sometimes specific details about games that she may not of played or not completed but I find that some of her points are quite valid.



As per the linked to article, yes, I do think that it's quite unfair to call the whole community misogynistic, despite the amount of harassment that she received. Let's not forget that most of her backers were actually gamers themselves who donated to the project in protest of the amount harassment and threats of violence that she received in response for simply proposing it. I actually find your statement about ignoring her quite hilarious, considering that this thread has now got 6 pages in just a few days with me hardy needing to post anything in it at all. I have actually posted another thread in PPR only a few days before this one and it hardly got any replies, so now it's buried and pushed back to the second page of the PPR forum. Yet, simply because I mentioned Anita Sarkeesian's, this thread now has 6 pages due to you and Sephardic-Male not ignoring it.