I am tired of this trendy smashing of the weak

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1. You don't CHOOSE to get disability benefits. It is something you get by meeting certain strict criteria.
You CAN choose not to get it though, and starve to death, of course its a free society (although in some few cases, the municipality has the right to step in and can demand you get the disability benefit, so far this only happens in Scandinavian countries, and only to people suffering severe dementia or mental retardation or otherwise not able to even wipe their own ****).

This should debunk the myth that people can just pick any welfare benefit they like. That is NOT the case.

2. The income tax is already levelled in degrees. In Scandinavian welfare countries, the Income Tax is roughly 50 %. But the income is also that much higher. Guess who's paying the show?
The employers. The big corporations. They are the ones financing the high salaries, even though there is NO standardized minimum wage by law.
And people also work less. In Denmark, you can only demand people work 37 hours a week. If they work more, they are often entitled to more rights from the employers.
This 37 hour work per week, is not defined by law. It is defined by the labor's organizations.

3. Speaking of non-Scandinavian countries, the big corporations have too much power and the labor unions has too little a say. In Germany, France, Britain and the U.S. the wages are lower and the taxes are lower. When they lower the taxes, the wages go down too.

In order to finance the welfare state, you have to invert the taxation system. You have to do as France just did, 75 % tax for the super rich, and I doubt that is enough.
The old saying that they would just flee to another country is a myth. They would have to leave their family and friends, and establish a totally new life in another country, adapting to totally other different laws and regulations. Only few people would do that.

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Yes, but the societal organism likes the super rich as they are producers and make it bigger.


But the criteria can be changed to become more restrictive.


They can hide their money in other countries though.
Regarding Scandinavia, there is no indication that North America will go this route.
Again, I'm not saying I don't agree with the existence of assistence; just that one shouldn't count on it.

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I feel bad for this woman. I think it is disingenuous to pretend that autistic people are easy to deal with. In an ideal world there would be resources available to help her cope with and raise her daughter. But this is the real world.

If you don't have to count on it then either you have other support or you're not disabled.

I really believe that given the opportunity a large percentage would be able to contribute. The problem is that our economy is not geared towards creating these opportunities.

I don't at all. She is physically abusive, she tells her daughter that she hates her and is going to leave. And look at the stuff she gets mad about; in one of the little clips she's freaking out because clothes were hung the wrong way in the closet (note that they were put away, just facing the wrong direction).

Maybe the daughter's issues would be easier to deal with if she were just an autistic child rather than an abused autistic child.

I mean the kid has a mental condition, one of the main effects of which is to impair her ability to connect with others. It's likely that she's already feeling extremely alienated and lonely. But apparently this woman thinks the way to make things better is to push her and hit her and tell her how much she hates her and how she's going to abandon her.

No amount of help can turn a piece of s**t like that into a good parent. Or even a worthwhile person. I'm all for helping families of children with special needs. But I am sick to death of the world saying "Hey disabled kids are hard to deal with, so go ahead and treat them as badly as you please." If she'd had an NT kid, she'd be in prison for the way she's acted. But because her daughter is autistic, she gets a pass, she gets to go on TV, and she's the one people show sympathy for despite the fact that she's showing the exact same behavior the kid is.

And she doesn't even have the mitigating factor of being an autistic 14 year old directing that behavior at an adult. No, she's a grown ass woman doing that kind of s**t to a disabled child.

f**k her.

I know, it is an awful thing to do to an autistic kid.


Maybe she is getting a pass, but you can't ignore that a person's disability is difficult for others as well. I disagree that her parenting skills cannot be improved. I think she is acting out of a mixture of ignorance, frustration and repeating patterns of abuse.

Oh I definitely agree with you that a person's disability affects others. The families of disabled people are not getting off light. Hell, I'm sure there are plenty of situations where being a disabled person's caretaker is more stressful than actually having the disability.

And acting out of ignorance and frustration is completely understandable and forgiveable.

But I've seen, far too often, that the abusive types just don't change no matter how much help they're given. They always go back to the abusive behaviors, every time. I'm not talking about people who f**k up on occasion, feel bad, and try not to do it again (I mean, who hasn't done that?). I'm talking about people, like her, for whom it is the norm.

And, as for repeating patterns of abuse, sorry but I just have zero sympathy for that type of person. They, more than anyone else, should know better.

Or at least be self aware enough to try to take action to change their behaviour. I know some people just don't care how they effect others.

I absolutely agree. I find it funny that normal society can have even less empathy than us, who supposedly have a lack of empathy built into our very genetics.

Their lack of understanding is appalling. They are the human waste, in my opinion. It is they who should be exiled, because one of the requirements for being allowed to live in a civilised country should be to be actually civilised, and not want to resort to barbaric means when they discover something different. They should rot.

Unfortunately, most people have a herd mentality—and in Scandinavia, there's an unwritten law called "Janteloven/Jantelagen" that deals with people who step out of line, but still excel in many ways.



Actually, many people who are on disability here in Norway can work, but eventually give up searching for a job and are put on disability. This is called hidden unemployment (nominal unemployment here is 3.3%; effective unemployment is said to be 7.0%). This is again because of The Law of Jante; the employers with the largest bank accounts and the highest number of applicants, would rather hire someone who's socially gifted who dick around on Facebook as opposed to someone who's socially awkward and does a good job.



This is a problem that could (to a large degree) be solved if the US at least were willing to give free healthcare (and thus psychological treatment) a chance.



Most types of mental illness are actually hard to fake. While getting a diagnosis of Asperger's syndrome wasn't difficult per se, a lot of evidence had to gathered before it became official; I don't think anyone could "fake" Asperger's and get disability because of it. I know of a few cases where people have claimed to have ME (even though they clearly do not have it) and have gotten away with it, but that's about it.



The European Union is in bigger trouble than the US is at the moment.



I didn't serve in the military, despite living in a country where it's de-jure mandatory (but de-facto voluntary). I work harder than most people, and my engineering degree means that I pay more taxes than them—despite the fact that I actually do work instead of goofing of at the workplace. Anyone who claims that I've failed the community, that I've let down my country or crap like that, can go f*ck themselves.

My mother worked and paid taxes since she was 14.

She is now disabled and on public assistance. She is "entitled" to it.

Don't like it? Move to another country.

Taxes = military paychecks.

If you pay taxes, you support the military; therefore, you're "contributing to society" any way you choose to look at it.

Yeah, but the first step needs to be to remove themselves from the situation. That kind of change (if it can happen, which I'm not convinced of) takes time. And the whole "stop beating on your wife/kid/whoever" thing isn't something you take your time with. It's not like a drug where slowly tapering off is an option. Gotta go cold turkey from that s**t, even if it means walking away from your family for a long while. I think the girl in the video, for instance, would be much better off if her mother had just left rather than holding the threat of it over her head.