Is affirmative sexism a good thing?

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ok, I'm gonna try one more time to explain what I was trying to say before I move away from the whole "men as providers" thing.

I do not actually believe what I said. I was trying to make a point. Clearly I failed at that. I was trying to take your position (that the preferential treatment women get in the courts is not actually an advantage) and compare it to another similar argument that, one that you might more easily see the flaws in.

Now that part worked, you definitely see the flaws in the argument I presented. But, instead of seeing the way it parallels yours like I intended, you now think I was making that argument because I believe in it.

So I'm gonna try wording it another way, then give up.

Men are treated better in the workplace. This is an advantage for men. I could claim that it is not, that it actually comes from old and unfair expectations (that they must be the sole or primary provider for their families) on men. But does that really matter for the man who is the recipient of that advantage?

Women are treated better in the courts. This is an advantage for women. You can claim that it is not, that it actually comes from old and unfair beliefs (that they are less intelligent or responsible, and thus have less accountability) about women. But does that really matter for the woman who is the recipient of that advantage?



Not in the courts, which is what I was talking about.



No, sexism toward men is when a cop arrestes him over something he would have given a woman a warning for. Sexism against men is when a judge gives him prison time when he would have given a woman probation.

But hey, that cop and that judge must have thought the woman had less agency.

I'm sure she's sitting, safe at home, just stewing about the injustice of it all. How unfair to her the system is. And I'm sure the man in his cell takes comfort in the knowledge that at least the judge thought highly enough of him to lock his ass up. "Yay, I have agency."



The military was actually one of my examples. The other was the way women replaced men at work during WW2, which played a huge part in opening people up to the idea of women working even during peacetime, to the point where it is entirely normal today. The third example was legally forcing integration in the south and, while I agree that it has not worked nearly as quickly as it could, there is no denying that if you are a black southerner you are better off today than you would have been before integration.

If you're just a little bit ill, then it might be better for co-workers and your job if you actually worked instead of staying at home.



CFS is almost unheard of outside of Northern America and Europe. While autism is indeed underdiagnosed in women (and overdiagnosed in certain groups of men), it doesn't automatically grant you disability benefits unless you have an intellectual disability.



CFS is usually caused by a combination of factors, which is why genuine CFS is so rare.



Plenty of ordinary looking cashiers at the grocery store live in houses and drive somewhat expensive estate cars because a man pays for it.



I know what CFS is -- and girls in their late teens or early twenties who socialize, travel and go shopping as if nothing ever happened (this description fits a lot of people who get this diagnosis today), are capable of working and thus do not have CFS. Overdiagnosed is not the same as nonexistant, and the CFS diagnosis today is handed out like a copy of the Watchtower.



I can't speak for Americans, but here in Norway, most sponsored bloggers are narcisistic teenage girls.



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I strongly disagree; what affects one person mildly might knock another out for a week, and if you're ill and in public, you're sharing your germs.
That said, part of my perspective may come from the fact that I work in a health care setting, and a worker who comes in ill is exposing not only his co-workers, but potentially other patients as well. It is selfish and borderline unforgivable.


There are lots of diseases that aren't diagnosed much outside of affluent areas; that doesn't mean that they're psychosomatic or don't really exist.

You're setting yourself up to be a medical expert who somehow knows more than doctors about a complex syndrome. You are, however, not a doctor, and you do not have more knowledge or authority than actual doctors to make pronouncements about this condition.

I'm sure that's true, and I'm also sure that the vast majority of women either pay for their own accommodations, or pay for them in conjunction with a partner in a committed relationship.

evidence, please, that a statistically significant percentage of people with active CFS diagnoses are fit young women who shop, travel, and go on vacation 'as if they were not ill at all.'

evidence, please, that 'most Norweigan sponsored bloggers are narcissistic teenage girls,' and/or that said sponsored bloggers do not actually contribute anything of value to the internet discussion for which they are being sponsored.

This link does not mention staying home from work. It does suggest that women are better at taking steps to limit and illness and get better.

A very second-wave feminist op-ed. The only thing I would say against it is that, if a family can afford it, it's fine for either a woman or a man to choose to work less in order to spend more time with the kids or to do more around the house.

Multiple Misandrists meticulously making multiple masturbating misogynistsic monstrocities!

That's a different scenario. Someone with recovering flu who's well enough to sit at the computer, knit, or whatever he/she likes doing, is also well enough to work as an engineer, a teacher or for that matter a forklift operator.



It can mean that they're overdiagnosed, though. There are descriptions of disorders highly reminiscent of both autism and ADHD dating back to Ancient Greece.



A lot of doctors and psychologists agree that it's overdiagnosed -- and so do a lot of patients diagnosed with it who did in fact recover by putting themselves together.



But not in an equal amount.



Look around you. There's no statistics available for any disorder regarding who genuinely has it or not, but several investigations in Norway regarding CFS has revealed that a lot of the patients weren't tested thoroughly, and only got the diagnosis to get a sick leave for simply being exhausted.



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True enough. The woman will be regarded as a homemaker if she does, though. The man will be seen as a deadbeat dad instead.

Yes, it can mean that, but you haven't shown any evidence yet that such is the case.

If that's the case, then you should be able to show better evidence of such than you have up to this point.

Evidence, please? I bought my own car, and so did every other woman I know.

I've never met anyone with a CFS diagnosis. Maybe it's a Norway thing.


What am I looking at? Ranks of most popular blogs? Ranks of sponsored blogs? Ranks of blogs by advertising revenue? Best blogs? Is there a tag anywhere that indicates which are run by women?

One pretty girl runs a successful blog. She must be a good blogger as well as pretty, or no one would bother reading her stuff.


'deadbeat dad' has a very specific connotation over here, of a man who leaves his family and contributes nothing to the children. In the US he'd be called a 'house-husband,' and he'd still face discrimination - which I strongly agree that, as a society, we should work to change. Families should be able to decide, together, how to arrange the workload for the good of the family, without worrying about discrimination by their neighbors.

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Just look at college aged Facebook friends. Few male college students I know can afford a car in the first place, and if they can, we're talking about an old compact car. Many female college students drive late model cars and live in nice apartments, though, because a man pays for it.



I've met several. There's a world of a difference between those who genuinely have it and those who are merely diagnosed with it. The person I knew who actually had it, didn't have any energy whatsoever for socializing, school, hobbies, travelling or anything at all. The reason why she got it was because of illness and a lot of stress at the same time.



Just click them and see.



Actually, all she does is to blog about what clothes she's wearing, and makes 10,000 USD a month because she was discovered by the right people among the vast majority of other, almost identical blogs.



Then we agree on that.

Hard to tell from the translation, but that doesn't really look like it's about CFS; it's about varying criteria for ME diagnosis, and misdiagnosis of ME vs. depression or other issues.

the only college-aged Facebook friends I have do not own cars, male or female; I did not own a car in college, and the only one of my friends who did, owned a two-seater a decade old that was fondly nicknamed 'bubbles' because it car-farted.

That sounds like actual CFS, but afaIk it's still idiopathic as far as the medical community is concerned.

I clicked on several, and I couldn't read any of them. There were lots of pictures of women, but from my experience that's more of a man thing than a woman thing.

She must be good at it, or she wouldn't be paid to do it. There are plenty of sites where people can go to just look at pretty women without paying them anything.

Has anyone read Emma Goldman? She was one of the early writers on gender issues, and a major influence on Germaine Greer. I think she has a healthy attitude.

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/20715/20 ... 0715-h.htm

I think that there is a lot of disinformation in the media about feminism. Has anyone read Emma Goldman? She was one of the early writers on gender issues, and a major influence on Germaine Greer. I think she got to the core of many of these issues.

This is a short essay about marriage and love.

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/20715/20 ... 0715-h.htm

I assumed this thread was about affirmative action and whether it is right to hire women based on a quota (which I am fiercely opposed to). But what I see is that you are talking about promoting men's rights issues and the like. Well, I say that if feminists are shaming you because you speak on an issue that is important to you, they're probably not even worth your concern. There are legitimate men's issues, whatever narrative you want to explain it, be it a backfiring patriarchy, a backfiring feminist movement or f*****g Lord Xenu. There will always be those that will support your cause, even feminists.

I'd say more but MDS 02 pretty much exemplifies my stance on the issue.

interesting and relevant to this thread:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 083145.htm

I agree this is stupid.

Yes.

I have found some female psychologists to be quite nasty to me on account of my possession of a penis, and others to be quite nice and helpful regardless of my appendage.

Suppose another disaster like The Titanic occurs again? Should the women get priority for the lifeboats, because their lives are more valuable? Or, should a completely gender-blind non-sexist 'every man for himself' ethic take hold?