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12 Feb 2014, 3:47 pm

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it provoked the pissiness, immaturity and petulance of the MRA case.

You can't equate every guy who tries to point out men's issues with the MRAs. I myself am absolutely not one.

I have expressed my utter contempt for them and their movement repeatedly on this board, and even in this very thread. And if it seems that I argue more often with feminists it is only because they are more numerous.

But you seem to have a black and white mentality. Either we are feminists or MRAs. Either we can help women or we can help men. And when anyone says "hey maybe we can help both" you take it as an attack on women and start a pointless "who has it worse" pissing contest.

The best way to help both sexes is just divide everything up 50/50.

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12 Feb 2014, 3:54 pm

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Then you do not care about men who have been raped, in any way.

Why is any rape a social rights issue? Rape anyone, male female or child, and you go to jail for life.
Simple as that. Rape of any kind is already illegal.

It is like denying a woman into an MMA school, or into combat roles in the military,
because she is a woman, and there are not many women in the room.

It is the attitudes of people like you thomas, that prevent help from reaching anyone. Not ours.
The only one who thinks men or women should be denied help after being raped is you.
Not I, not mds, not aspieotaku, but you.

If you would have never suggested men don't need help, even from time to time,
every single person debating this would be saying: "Oh yes thomas you are right!"
you had to critisize the rape of a male, for no reason.

Your talking to people who care just as much about females as you.
You seem to not realize that.

You have not read or chosen to ignore my posts.

its a social rights issue because rape on women, like any other form of physical aggression against women is part and parcel of the grander anti women culture that has been orchestrated by religions, by male politicians and by the male dominated media.

By trying to homogenise all forms of sexual violence it serves to divide issues which are inextricably linked by a grander, patriarchal institution.

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12 Feb 2014, 3:54 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

The best way to help both sexes is just divide everything up 50/50.

I'd rather share everything on an "as needed" basis.

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12 Feb 2014, 3:58 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

mds_02 wrote:

thomas81 wrote:

it provoked the pissiness, immaturity and petulance of the MRA case.

The best way to help both sexes is just divide everything up 50/50.

you would think that, but it won't happen as long as capitalism and the profit motive seeks to commodify sexual violence and sexuality.

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12 Feb 2014, 4:00 pm

mds_02 wrote:

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

The best way to help both sexes is just divide everything up 50/50.

I'd rather share everything on an "as needed" basis.

That sounds idealistic some people have huge needs lol. They would want to hog everything. You know how people are :roll:

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12 Feb 2014, 4:01 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

mds_02 wrote:

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

The best way to help both sexes is just divide everything up 50/50.

I'd rather share everything on an "as needed" basis.

That sounds idealistic some people have huge needs lol. They would want to hog everything. You know how people are :roll:

No, i don't know how people are. I know how I am.

Speak for yourself. :roll:

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12 Feb 2014, 4:10 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

That sounds idealistic some people have huge needs lol. They would want to hog everything. You know how people are :roll:

Maybe. I dunno. I decided a while back to try to rid myself of my cynicism. And sometimes I do go too far the other way. But if I had to pick one, I'd rather err on the side of idealism.

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12 Feb 2014, 4:11 pm

I think that the frequence of rape varies from country to country.
I know that there are some countries in Europe/states in America where you never or hardly ever hear about female-on-male rape.
In Arabic or Asian countries how many female-on-male rape cases do you think there are in a year? Probably none.
The last time I heard the percentage in my state on the news the data were like "70% of the abusers are male, 30% are female". I heard people say that in their state the percentage of the feamale rapists is around 40%, in others countries it barely reaches the 10% or it's even less.

Also, most rapes do not happen by assaulting a person who's out alone at night. Most rapes happen through psychological coertion or threaths (both for males and females). E.g. a boss who threathens an employee that he/she will fire them unless he/she has sex with them. This happens a lot to both women and men and yes, it does count as rape because any sexual act you are forced to perform is rape if you don't want to do that but are forced through threaths/coertion of any tipe, not necessarily physical. It's not always necessary to assault a person at night and shove a penis/object in their vagina/anus.
The very big part of the "street" rape victims are indeed women because men are usually stronger and unless a woman is very strong/uses a weapon/is in a gang of women it would be very difficult for her to rape a man.
But really, everyone is capable of blackmailing someone. In that case, physical strenght doesn't count. Big part of these rapes are not reported and people who do are very brave because they risk to lose their job/not be believed, no matter if they are women or men.

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12 Feb 2014, 4:27 pm

thomas81 wrote:

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

mds_02 wrote:

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

The best way to help both sexes is just divide everything up 50/50.

I'd rather share everything on an "as needed" basis.

That sounds idealistic some people have huge needs lol. They would want to hog everything. You know how people are :roll:

No, i don't know how people are. I know how I am.

Speak for yourself. :roll:

You know how people are because you see what they do. It's not like we are living in our own little worlds oblivious to what goes on around us. Human nature is apparent and everywhere. glaringly so just by how people conduct themselves.
This is why I support the idea of 50/50 over "need based." Women get half and men get half. And then they can battle it out! Perfect!

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12 Feb 2014, 4:28 pm

mds_02 wrote:

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

That sounds idealistic some people have huge needs lol. They would want to hog everything. You know how people are :roll:

Maybe. I dunno. I decided a while back to try to rid myself of my cynicism. And sometimes I do go too far the other way. But if I had to pick one, I'd rather err on the side of idealism.

I would rather do it fairly and just give each sex half so that way there aren't any have-nots. Of course men would complain about it because it's just their nature. To complain.

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12 Feb 2014, 4:32 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

Of course men would complain about it because it's just their nature. To complain.

Is that really necessary?

I can see no point in making a comment like that unless you are going out of your way to provoke a negative reaction.

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12 Feb 2014, 4:38 pm

thomas81 wrote:

What the video did, was turn the status quo on its head and expose in the cold day of light through the defensiveness it provoked the pissiness, immaturity and petulance of the MRA case.

Also, it was not the video that provoked any defensiveness. It was you and your opinion, which you presented as fact (with incredible smugness, I might add), that men do not also face systemic injustices that provoked defensiveness.

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12 Feb 2014, 4:59 pm

mds_02 wrote:

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

Of course men would complain about it because it's just their nature. To complain.

Is that really necessary?

I can see no point in making a comment like that unless you are going out of your way to provoke a negative reaction.

I apologize. It just seems like that's what men like to do but so do women. People don't like to give anything up.

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12 Feb 2014, 5:00 pm

thomas81 wrote:

I read every single one. Not everyone thinks like you.
It is odd, women inspire me, some are my heroes.
Why don't you start asking the Irish patriarchy to let
women carry handguns then, before you tell us
Americans we are anti-woman.

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12 Feb 2014, 5:07 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

I apologize. It just seems like that's what men like to do but so do women. People don't like to give anything up.

It's cool. It is a trend in people in general. And it may be easier to notice it in the other gender, cause it's probably easier for a person to relate to their own gender's complaints.

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12 Feb 2014, 5:10 pm

appletheclown wrote:

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Yes, i am acutely aware how revolting the Irish patriarchy is (the abortion debate). However it is part and parcel of the global phenomenon and crystallises my point about how these issues cannot be divorced.

i don't believe the rights of women, let alone anyone else begin and end with the ability to wield a weapon.

True equality only comes when everyone can expect a equal pay for the same task, with the freedom to not be objectified or assaulted when walking the street because of 'their choice of clothing' or some other ludicrous justification.

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