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What to do about America's "failing men?"
Let them fail. 10%  10%  [ 3 ]
Increase the minimum wage. 24%  24%  [ 7 ]
Reduce or eliminate the minimum wage 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Massively expand the military 7%  7%  [ 2 ]
Public works projects 14%  14%  [ 4 ]
Incarcerate more of them 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Curtail immigration 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
Increase immigration 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Increase trade 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Curtail trade 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Remove women from the paid workforce 7%  7%  [ 2 ]
Take away video games and porn 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Make church attendance and Bible study mandatory 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Turn the country into a Libertarian dictatorship 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
Distribute guns to everyone 10%  10%  [ 3 ]
Legalize prostitution 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
Reduce the retirement age 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
Increase the retirement age 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Other (specify) 14%  14%  [ 4 ]
Total votes : 29

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24 Mar 2014, 11:30 pm

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back on topic (at least a little...) the 'remove women from the workforce' is a sound idea/would 'free up' jobs for men to take up again....the feasbility of it is another question....



8O

please, please tell me this is sarcasm.


no it is not. it's mathematical fact.


you honestly think that "removing women from the workforce" is a "sound idea"?

if so, what past decade/century did you step onto this forum from?



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24 Mar 2014, 11:34 pm

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25 Mar 2014, 12:10 am

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back on topic (at least a little...) the 'remove women from the workforce' is a sound idea/would 'free up' jobs for men to take up again....the feasbility of it is another question....

How about we remove men from the workforce to free up jobs for women? Mathematically, that would work equally well if not better.
(/sarcasm)



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25 Mar 2014, 12:15 am

LKL wrote:
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back on topic (at least a little...) the 'remove women from the workforce' is a sound idea/would 'free up' jobs for men to take up again....the feasbility of it is another question....

How about we remove men from the workforce to free up jobs for women? Mathematically, that would work equally well if not better.
(/sarcasm)


that is a good idea--i'd love to work in construction if that particular job market weren't so saturated with troglodyte men. :lol:



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25 Mar 2014, 1:17 am

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you honestly think that "removing women from the workforce" is a "sound idea"?


Yes. For every woman removed from the workforce, a man can take her place. The object of giving males jobs is achieved. Jobs are zero-sum in some ways, and there are cases of females taking over the workplace from males (White women statistically are the biggest beneficiary of affirmative action, and that was originally included in by a white southron senator who wanted to dilute its' effects on black people).

EDIT: that was the logic behind the Taliban in Afghanistan. Women would get the cushy jobs, meaning that men would be forced to compete harder and harder for jobs and get forced to do more dangerous things

EDIT 2: Especially given the the 'information/knowledge economy' which pushes males out of operation/usage.

The feasibility of such a plan may be questionable, but the basic logic is ot.

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if so, what past decade/century did you step onto this forum from?


late 20th c

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How about we remove men from the workforce to free up jobs for women? Mathematically, that would work equally well if not better.
(/sarcasm)


Because this is not the subject of this thread.


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25 Mar 2014, 1:22 am

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you honestly think that "removing women from the workforce" is a "sound idea"?


Yes. For every woman removed from the workforce, a man can take her place. The object of giving males jobs is achieved. Jobs are zero-sum in some ways, and there are cases of females taking over the workplace from males (White women statistically are the biggest beneficiary of affirmative action, and that was originally included in by a white southron senator who wanted to dilute its' effects on black people).

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if so, what past decade/century did you step onto this forum from?


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How about we remove men from the workforce to free up jobs for women? Mathematically, that would work equally well if not better.
(/sarcasm)


Because this is not the subject of this thread.


and how do you suggest they be "removed"? can't wait to hear this.



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25 Mar 2014, 1:24 am

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and how do you suggest they be "removed"? can't wait to hear this.


That runs into the "Feasibility" question buttt......

Cut off affirmative action for white women in jobs/education/etc.
Promote affirmative action for males in traditionally female occupations (i.e. K-12 teachers)
Strengthen affirmative action for males (White/black/etc) at some liberal arts schools which are horribly lopsided in favor of females apparently.

There's other related things which can happen but nothing I can think of now...


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25 Mar 2014, 1:37 am

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and how do you suggest they be "removed"? can't wait to hear this.


That runs into the "Feasibility" question buttt......

Cut off affirmative action for white women in jobs/education/etc.
Promote affirmative action for males in traditionally female occupations (i.e. K-12 teachers)
Strengthen affirmative action for males (White/black/etc) at some liberal arts schools which are horribly lopsided in favor of females apparently.

There's other related things which can happen but nothing I can think of now...


i see, so the solution is to go back to a time when we were encouraging women to stay home and not have lives outside the family. brilliant. :thumleft:



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25 Mar 2014, 1:40 am

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i see, so the solution is to go back to a time when we were encouraging women to stay home and not have lives outside the family. brilliant. :thumleft:


no. most of my example focus on men.


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25 Mar 2014, 1:51 am

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i see, so the solution is to go back to a time when we were encouraging women to stay home and not have lives outside the family. brilliant. :thumleft:


no. most of my example focus on men.


except the first one, which was quite specifically about women. admittedly i am not american and i'm not sure how your affirmative action policies work (we have anti-discrimination laws here in canada, but i'm not sure if that's quite the same thing), but if you get rid of affirmative action for white females and therefore a bunch of women can no longer find jobs (this would be the result, would it not?)--what are those women supposed to do instead of work? materialise food and shelter magically from the ether? or just find a male provider and stay home with the kiddies?



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25 Mar 2014, 2:03 am

There is no reason to let exploitive capital dictate what constitutes our "failure". It's clear what they are trying to do.



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25 Mar 2014, 2:07 am

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except the first one, which was quite specifically about women. admittedly i am not american and i'm not sure how your affirmative action policies work (we have anti-discrimination laws here in canada, but i'm not sure if that's quite the same thing), but if you get rid of affirmative action for white females and therefore a bunch of women can no longer find jobs (this would be the result, would it not?)--what are those women supposed to do instead of work? materialise food and shelter magically from the ether? or just find a male provider and stay home with the kiddies?


Well, this thread is not about women. It is about men.

But answering it, white women are one of the most privileged groups in modern America. I really wonder how removing affirmative action will suddenly put white women into the gutter :lol:

Also, some U.S> states have talked about doing such.


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25 Mar 2014, 3:13 am

If I was the kind of capitalist who had no concern for the wellbeing of his workers whatsoever, then I would want an entirely female workforce because they are easier to coerce.



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25 Mar 2014, 4:24 am

Warsie wrote:
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except the first one, which was quite specifically about women. admittedly i am not american and i'm not sure how your affirmative action policies work (we have anti-discrimination laws here in canada, but i'm not sure if that's quite the same thing), but if you get rid of affirmative action for white females and therefore a bunch of women can no longer find jobs (this would be the result, would it not?)--what are those women supposed to do instead of work? materialise food and shelter magically from the ether? or just find a male provider and stay home with the kiddies?


Well, this thread is not about women. It is about men.

But answering it, white women are one of the most privileged groups in modern America. I really wonder how removing affirmative action will suddenly put white women into the gutter :lol:

Also, some U.S> states have talked about doing such.
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25 Mar 2014, 5:00 am

AspieOtaku wrote:
Warsie wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
except the first one, which was quite specifically about women. admittedly i am not american and i'm not sure how your affirmative action policies work (we have anti-discrimination laws here in canada, but i'm not sure if that's quite the same thing), but if you get rid of affirmative action for white females and therefore a bunch of women can no longer find jobs (this would be the result, would it not?)--what are those women supposed to do instead of work? materialise food and shelter magically from the ether? or just find a male provider and stay home with the kiddies?


Well, this thread is not about women. It is about men.

But answering it, white women are one of the most privileged groups in modern America. I really wonder how removing affirmative action will suddenly put white women into the gutter :lol:

Also, some U.S> states have talked about doing such.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBIC8JTQMMQ[/youtube]


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