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05 Mar 2007, 11:32 pm

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While I'll disagree in general on conservative ideas, my problem is mainly with the far right. But good policy is good policy, and bad policy is bad policy regardless of who's introducing it. I have some serious issues with some of the Democrats policy, but I have more of one with Republican policy.




this is about where i stand as well.



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05 Mar 2007, 11:36 pm

I argee, a lot of Republican leadership is not for the people and a great deal many are only right-wing so they can bash their bibles and make America a Theocracy where teaching evolution is a crime againist the state (See Brownback) but they are many genuinely good people among their ranks.

Like Jimservo here,
I'm about as left as they come but I still respect him, why? He just wants to help the nation. It just so happens we tend disagree on how to help make it better.

There are many insane Democrats (See the entire CNN network, radical feminists) but were just trying to help also.

Ann Coultar is slime because she has the insane delusion the other party is the enemy in a physical sense, when in reality they need each other. Otherwise we'd have a dicatorship (see China) and the exsisting party would become stupid and weak.

And please Johnnie, take out a little time to find your polictical beliefs and stop spouting propaganda from the Right-Wing. You may find your actual beliefs are scary, it's sort of like losing faith in something you hold dear when propaganda holds no sway over you but knowledge is always better then blindness.


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05 Mar 2007, 11:41 pm

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And please Johnnie, take out a little time to find your polictical beliefs and stop spouting propaganda from the Right-Wing. You may find your actual beliefs are scary, it's sort of like losing faith in something you hold dear when propaganda holds no sway over you but knowledge is always better then blindness.



he's a 46 year old trucker from connecticut who has a superiority complex....i seriously doubt he's gonna change or even do much more than troll around.



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05 Mar 2007, 11:47 pm

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And please Johnnie, take out a little time to find your polictical beliefs and stop spouting propaganda from the Right-Wing. You may find your actual beliefs are scary, it's sort of like losing faith in something you hold dear when propaganda holds no sway over you but knowledge is always better then blindness.



he's a 46 year old trucker from connecticut who has a superiority complex....i seriously doubt he's gonna change or even do much more than troll around.


If only we had a way to help people find themselves after they've lost themselves.


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05 Mar 2007, 11:51 pm

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skafather84 wrote:
Flagg wrote:
And please Johnnie, take out a little time to find your polictical beliefs and stop spouting propaganda from the Right-Wing. You may find your actual beliefs are scary, it's sort of like losing faith in something you hold dear when propaganda holds no sway over you but knowledge is always better then blindness.



he's a 46 year old trucker from connecticut who has a superiority complex....i seriously doubt he's gonna change or even do much more than troll around.


If only we had a way to help people find themselves after they've lost themselves.


nah, they have a right to do what they want. don't really care. bad ideas die out on their own....i'd just rather it not kill my entire country as the bad ideas die.



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05 Mar 2007, 11:52 pm

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05 Mar 2007, 11:59 pm

not to mention first amendment right to say whatever he wants. which i'm all for....just...he's wrong in attitude.



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06 Mar 2007, 6:37 am

Ann Coulter is pretty much a textbook case of psychological projection, imo.

Consider her latest remarks regarding John Edwards... according to her, a happily married man with children is a "fa***t".

Consider the lion's share of remarks she has made in the past regarding Bill Clinton. Yes, Bill Clinton... he who was famed for getting more female ass than a toilet seat in women's restroom. She also repeatedly stated that he was gay.

Amongst the portion of the population that actually thinks (rather than being uneducated white trash), she actually shot herself in the foot with that. When someone who has shunned heterosexual relations for that long starts calling other people gay, it only serves to call attention to her own sex life.

I don't have a problem with homosexuals, but I can't stand stupidity... and that was a very stupid move on her part.



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06 Mar 2007, 6:41 am

Johnnie wrote:
"Turns out Republicans can't manage the Economy as well as Democrats"

:lol: :lol: :lol: ROFLMFAO :lol: :lol: :lol:

Is that what the mainstream media told you to think :lol:


Do you have any facts to support what you are saying? Can you present a reasoned argument based upon those facts? No, not some bunch of drivel you've copy-pasted from conspiracy nut websites. No, not advice as to what brand of tinfoil people should make hats out of, to avoid "evil mindcontrol rays".

Can you present some facts to support your position?


























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Yeah, that's what I thought.

Shut up.



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06 Mar 2007, 6:44 am

can't say anything right now because the entire global economy is falling right now.

can't blame that one on bush.....or can we?? hrmmmmmmmm....nah, actually the literature i've read on that points to china being the culprit. but then again, we're probably one of the more integral partners with china....so who knows?



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06 Mar 2007, 6:59 am

Hazelwudi wrote:
Johnnie wrote:
"Turns out Republicans can't manage the Economy as well as Democrats"

:lol: :lol: :lol: ROFLMFAO :lol: :lol: :lol:

Is that what the mainstream media told you to think :lol:


Do you have any facts to support what you are saying? Can you present a reasoned argument based upon those facts? No, not some bunch of drivel you've copy-pasted from conspiracy nut websites. No, not advice as to what brand of tinfoil people should make hats out of, to avoid "evil mindcontrol rays".

Can you present some facts to support your position?


























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Yeah, that's what I thought.

Shut up.

Judging by by they both act in office I don't think either can manage the economy very well. :?


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06 Mar 2007, 8:40 am

skafather84 wrote:
Flagg wrote:
And please Johnnie, take out a little time to find your polictical beliefs and stop spouting propaganda from the Right-Wing. You may find your actual beliefs are scary, it's sort of like losing faith in something you hold dear when propaganda holds no sway over you but knowledge is always better then blindness.



he's a 46 year old trucker from connecticut who has a superiority complex....i seriously doubt he's gonna change or even do much more than troll around.


Did you actually post that while not drunk :lol: truck driver,ok I got migrant farm worker beat and um lets see teenager working at a fast food place :lol: actually the fast food kid has it better

and to the other poster, how did you arrive at the conclusion I support the exstremist version of the republican party based on my posting I think it's funny as hell to read coulter bashing the democrap party ?

all it comes down to is the thinned skinned liberals thought it was great as long as the mainstream evening news was the only one with a gun and could shoot at the republicans and now that they got a gun to shoot back, you suckers are whining like little babies. Sure people like coulter are giving liberals both barrels and reloading and firing again, that's what they are paid to do. At least they aren't phoneis pretending it's some sort of news program.
There is no Fox Evening News with news achor Rush Limbaugh keeping a straight face while spreading propoganda.

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the 1986 amnesty was supposed to be conditioned on stringent enforcement. However, those enforcement provisions were gutted by Teddy Kennedy.


than clinton signs the NAFTA deal and that opens Meixco to US subsidized farm products driving millions of people from rural mexico north looking for jobs. Did the American farmer benefit,nope the giant corperate agra business in the USA did.

Jimmy Carter deregulated trucking, another Kennedy sponsored bill which has destroyed wages in trucking and warehousing.

Carter put wall street criminal Paul Volcker in charge of the federal reserve and he raised interest rates to 20% to put 11% of the workforce out of work so they would cut each others throats for jobs and effectively broke the power of the unions in this country. They blamed inflation on union workers and turned the masses against unions when in fact the real cause of the late 70's inflation was LBJ's great society costs filtering down to the middle class who where mostly union and demanding raises to pay the taxes, the wealthy where the ones getting hammered by inflation, like the Kennedy clan was watching their vast fortune shrink.

The democraps just about told the blacks in the 60's to have more kids, the white people where paying and the more they have, the more money the government will give them efficively keeping many of them in poverty.

Democraps have screwed whites,blacks and even managed to screw mexicans. They controlled congress for 40 years and made a total mess of the country.

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Labor activists have sought the repeal of the Taft-Hartley Act since its inception.


yet did clinton repeal it in the first 2 years in office when he had a democrap congress, nope it wasn't even brought to the floor of congress.
Look up the vote on it when it was passed in 1947 over Truman's veto, the democraps swung the vote to over ride the veto. 50% of them voted to screw the working class.

Look at the vote on Iraq, the democraps voted to go to war.

am I dilusional enough to think I can write a few paragraphs at some forum an undo decades of brainwashing by the liberal media, no
I know a lady who came here from an iron curtain commie country about 20 years ago and she says the commies never even dreamed they could brainwash their population as well as America has done.



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06 Mar 2007, 12:05 pm

Let's say I've heard she exists :) From what I know, Ann Coulter = agitprop. In Italy her equivalent would be Oriana Fallaci.

Usually right-wing parties use the most populist rhetoric, that's why I hate right-wing parties. I heard an Italian saying "both right and left ate, but the left ate using the fork and the knife, the right used the hands", which I think it could be fitting for some other countries around the world too.

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06 Mar 2007, 2:44 pm

Re: economic growth. The United States has experienced the strongest economic growth in the entire western world since the beginning of the Reagan administration. Admittedly, the Clinton economy was strong. It cannot be denied however that historically the Bush II economy compares quite well, especially considering the fact he entered office during the beginnings of a correction. His supply side policies should receive at least some of the credit in avoiding a full blown recession at the September 11 attack.

In terms of "Republicans vs. Democrats" on economics it is hard to compare since both parties have changed somewhat in the last fifty years. Both the Bush II and Clinton administrations (which are somewhat moderate on domestic polices compared to their party activists) experienced strong growth. The Bush I administration, which initiated an ill-advised tax increase, suffered through a correction bordering on a recession (which was partially a natural effect of the Reagan boom). The Reagan administration saw major reversals of negative GDP and falling employment rates. The Democratic Carter administration, while not particularly ideological in economic affairs, was one of the most poorly managed in American history, although it did initiate some well needed privatizations. Paul Volker, who Carter was basically forced to name as the Fed Chief, was also a major asset to the country.

Gerald Ford, when his policy decisions weren't overturned by Democratic overrides, was somewhat conservative on economic policies. However he was ineffective at communications, and still clung to some outdated ideas of the man he replaced. The conservative (the word is correct in the tradition sense) Richard Nixon believed in a centralized economic structure. He gladly went along with price fixing schemes, and wage controls. In fact, Nixon economic policies were to probably to left of his Democratic opponents in the 1960 election, John F. Kennedy, and Lyndon Johnson. Both Kennedy and Johnson would cut taxes (Kennedy dramatically so) on the idea that it would produce immense revenue for the government (he was right). Kennedy, and Johnson then though that this revenue would drive up the deficit, forcing the printing of large amounts of currency. There was a theory at the time that lasted until the "stagflation" of the Carter years that proved it a fallacy that would drive the economy forward through this method.



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06 Mar 2007, 3:07 pm

Zhaozhou wrote:
Usually right-wing parties use the most populist rhetoric, that's why I hate right-wing parties. I heard an Italian saying "both right and left ate, but the left ate using the fork and the knife, the right used the hands", which I think it could be fitting for some other countries around the world too.


There is another saying: "The right thinks that the left is wrong, while the left thinks the right is evil."

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and to the other poster, how did you arrive at the conclusion I support the exstremist version of the republican party based on my posting I think it's funny as hell to read coulter bashing the democrap party ?


Johnnie, the word is "Democrat," short for "Democratic." Using such a ridiculous term makes me immediately make it more difficult to take your arguments seriously.

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all it comes down to is the thinned skinned liberals thought it was great as long as the mainstream evening news was the only one with a gun and could shoot at the republicans and now that they got a gun to shoot back, you suckers are whining like little babies.


I still don't like the use of the term "liberal" as a pejorative. Why the shooting analogy?

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Sure people like coulter are giving liberals both barrels and reloading and firing again, that's what they are paid to do.


Don't you see that it is politically stupid to say things that are then spread around the media that can be used to damage one's entire political group as a bunch of bigots? If I used the N-word in a joke (a really terrible ill-timed joke) at a serious political conference, should I note expect that to then fly back and hit me? I mean, what is she trying to do, get the Democrat elected? She is crazy or mean-spirited, or just plain selfish or something for somebody who is apparently on the Republican side.

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At least they aren't phoneis pretending it's some sort of news program.


DAN RATHER: :evil:

Johnnie wrote:
There is no Fox Evening News with news achor Rush Limbaugh keeping a straight face while spreading propoganda.


To be fair I think Fox's News Show "Special Report with Brite Hume", while very well done, is clearly right of center. That doesn't mean it's bad or anything. The opinion shows don't count because they are, well opinion shows. I really don't like Shaun Hannity though.

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I'm not getting into it. It will just start a fight.

I like Paul Volker, he did a good job.

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The democraps just about told the blacks in the 60's to have more kids, the white people where paying and the more they have, the more money the government will give them efficively keeping many of them in poverty.


I don't like the way this is put at all. Yes, blacks as a group were hurt by Great Society poverty programs more generally then say, Whites or Asians. However you really shouldn't put it in such blanket racial terms. There are clearly exceptions, and saying it was "white people" who were the ones who were paying is obviously not accurate in every case. Furthermore, do you have a problem with minorities having children? I hope it is people being in poverty you have a problem with.



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06 Mar 2007, 6:20 pm

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skafather84 wrote:
Flagg wrote:
And please Johnnie, take out a little time to find your polictical beliefs and stop spouting propaganda from the Right-Wing. You may find your actual beliefs are scary, it's sort of like losing faith in something you hold dear when propaganda holds no sway over you but knowledge is always better then blindness.



he's a 46 year old trucker from connecticut who has a superiority complex....i seriously doubt he's gonna change or even do much more than troll around.


Did you actually post that while not drunk :lol: truck driver,ok I got migrant farm worker beat and um lets see teenager working at a fast food place :lol: actually the fast food kid has it better

and to the other poster, how did you arrive at the conclusion I support the exstremist version of the republican party based on my posting I think it's funny as hell to read coulter bashing the democrap party ?

all it comes down to is the thinned skinned liberals thought it was great as long as the mainstream evening news was the only one with a gun and could shoot at the republicans and now that they got a gun to shoot back, you suckers are whining like little babies. Sure people like coulter are giving liberals both barrels and reloading and firing again, that's what they are paid to do. At least they aren't phoneis pretending it's some sort of news program.
There is no Fox Evening News with news achor Rush Limbaugh keeping a straight face while spreading propoganda.

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the 1986 amnesty was supposed to be conditioned on stringent enforcement. However, those enforcement provisions were gutted by Teddy Kennedy.


than clinton signs the NAFTA deal and that opens Meixco to US subsidized farm products driving millions of people from rural mexico north looking for jobs. Did the American farmer benefit,nope the giant corperate agra business in the USA did.

Jimmy Carter deregulated trucking, another Kennedy sponsored bill which has destroyed wages in trucking and warehousing.

Carter put wall street criminal Paul Volcker in charge of the federal reserve and he raised interest rates to 20% to put 11% of the workforce out of work so they would cut each others throats for jobs and effectively broke the power of the unions in this country. They blamed inflation on union workers and turned the masses against unions when in fact the real cause of the late 70's inflation was LBJ's great society costs filtering down to the middle class who where mostly union and demanding raises to pay the taxes, the wealthy where the ones getting hammered by inflation, like the Kennedy clan was watching their vast fortune shrink.

The democraps just about told the blacks in the 60's to have more kids, the white people where paying and the more they have, the more money the government will give them efficively keeping many of them in poverty.

Democraps have screwed whites,blacks and even managed to screw mexicans. They controlled congress for 40 years and made a total mess of the country.

Quote:
Labor activists have sought the repeal of the Taft-Hartley Act since its inception.


yet did clinton repeal it in the first 2 years in office when he had a democrap congress, nope it wasn't even brought to the floor of congress.
Look up the vote on it when it was passed in 1947 over Truman's veto, the democraps swung the vote to over ride the veto. 50% of them voted to screw the working class.

Look at the vote on Iraq, the democraps voted to go to war.

am I dilusional enough to think I can write a few paragraphs at some forum an undo decades of brainwashing by the liberal media, no
I know a lady who came here from an iron curtain commie country about 20 years ago and she says the commies never even dreamed they could brainwash their population as well as America has done.


you are delusional. mainly because you've bought into neoconservative, extremist thought.


to blame ecnomic woes purely on the great society is to completely dismiss our waste of money in vietnam. which is the fault of kennedy, johnson, and nixon. had we not been in that war, many programs could have been more efficiently funded. unfortunately johnson was concerned about a balanced budget, so a lot of the war on poverty initiatives were underfunded. additionally, the great society was key to introducing civil rights and helping the civil rights cause.

but i'll stop here, i'm not gonna change the mind of some brainwashed neocon who only views the great society for its failures with the war on poverty initiative and not for the key moves forward in civil liberties, funding for education and the art, and the advances in socialized medicine. now granted, the age should be changed as to reflect the change in life expectancy...but that's about it.


and also, to let you know...politics changed a lot in the 80s and democrats from about 90 or so on forward are different than those of the past and to compare the two and just say they're all the same shows your ignorance in the change in political landscape and the change in dynamics.


you probably think bush stands for a smaller government...even though he's yet to veto a spending bill!! !!

in short, you're a moron who sees the world through rose-tinted glasses.


thank you and good day.