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26 Aug 2014, 4:25 pm

You know God seems kinda selfish you know...all about everyone worshiping him, putting him first in life, and all that...what is he a Narcissist?


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26 Aug 2014, 4:29 pm

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I see, you endow your imaginary friend you call God with having a desire to be loved and embraced.
First, He's not imaginary.


As there is no empirical evidence that any gods have ever existed or exist now, then your god and all the other mythological gods fall into the same category of beings as fairies and unicorns - inventions of man's imagination.

Some people create an imaginary friend for themselves and call it Jesus or God or Krishna or Zeus; whatever suits their tradition. Maybe those people get comfort by having such an imaginary friend, but personally speaking, I have no desire to con myself into believing in such mental delusions.


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26 Aug 2014, 4:34 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
You know God seems kinda selfish you know...all about everyone worshiping him, putting him first in life, and all that...what is he a Narcissist?

No, the narcissists are those who are professional athletes, musicians, actors and reality-show contestants who end up selling T-shirts, sweatshirts, hats, Frisbees, shoes, bumper stickers, coffee mugs and cell-phone covers with their names printed on them. Or, are their fans even more narcissistic by buying that useless merchandise believing that it identifies and articulates their most personally held beliefs because they have no idea how to express those beliefs otherwise? Now, THAT is selfish.


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26 Aug 2014, 4:38 pm

^ I'm sure the old testament is full of god's narcissism; doesn't he demand to be worshipped and demand that no other gods be worshipped and also there is something about him being a jealous god. He then goes on to murder countless numbers of people and act in barbaric ways throughout the old testament. Sounds like a nasty sod to me with an ego the size of a planet and a petulant temper to match.


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26 Aug 2014, 4:49 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
You know God seems kinda selfish you know...all about everyone worshiping him, putting him first in life, and all that...what is he a Narcissist?

It's a form of religious practice for unimaginative people.



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26 Aug 2014, 8:16 pm

TallyMan wrote:
^ I'm sure the old testament is full of god's narcissism; doesn't he demand to be worshipped and demand that no other gods be worshipped and also there is something about him being a jealous god. He then goes on to murder countless numbers of people and act in barbaric ways throughout the old testament. Sounds like a nasty sod to me with an ego the size of a planet and a petulant temper to match.
God can;t commit murder, because as the Creator of all life, He's perfectly within His rights to take it back at His own discretion. We're banned from doing that because we don't create life; even parents are just combining what God already designed when He created the human reproductive systems.

As for Him being jealous, that's a reference to Him rightfully deserving worship as the sole Creator. Regardless of whether someone believes its the God of Scripture, there has to be an uncaused first cause for everything...and that cause would have to be personal, powerful, intelligent, and moral to the ultimate degree. Order never comes from chaos, and messages like DNA or morality only come from minds.


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26 Aug 2014, 8:31 pm

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...God can;t commit murder, because as the Creator of all life, He's perfectly within His rights to take it back at His own discretion.

No, not really. That's not a moral position. Besides he apparently commanded genocide, which is immoral even by your own lax standards.



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27 Aug 2014, 7:26 am

AspE wrote:
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...God can;t commit murder, because as the Creator of all life, He's perfectly within His rights to take it back at His own discretion.



Well all i can say to this is I hope with all my heart that you are wrong about the existence of god. You believe in the most immoral of beings in all of fiction. Can you not see just how f****d up your statement is. Essentially you believe that if god makes a feeling, sentient being he can kill it arbitrarily, because he does not have to relinquish absolute power over a thing he makes no matter the level of feeling his creation attains.

You accept this as morally ok, but will chastise a woman for aborting a foetus, or abuse a person whose natural genetic make up means they are homosexual.

Your morals are in the gutter.. To be even more blunt, some of your beliefs sicken me. All this BS about what god thinks and does, how we should behave to keep him happy, and that you have the right to judge other peoples lives by your own personal treatise with your imaginary friend.

Some stuff you write just has me shaking my head in wonderment at your beliefs, this one about God having a perfect right to annihilate at will, has finally pushed me over the edge. Its your morals, taken a little bit further, that see people stoned or hanged in the name of god.


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27 Aug 2014, 7:34 am

Moviefan2k4 wrote:
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^ I'm sure the old testament is full of god's narcissism; doesn't he demand to be worshipped and demand that no other gods be worshipped and also there is something about him being a jealous god. He then goes on to murder countless numbers of people and act in barbaric ways throughout the old testament. Sounds like a nasty sod to me with an ego the size of a planet and a petulant temper to match.
God can;t commit murder, because as the Creator of all life, He's perfectly within His rights to take it back at His own discretion. We're banned from doing that because we don't create life; even parents are just combining what God already designed when He created the human reproductive systems.

As for Him being jealous, that's a reference to Him rightfully deserving worship as the sole Creator. Regardless of whether someone believes its the God of Scripture, there has to be an uncaused first cause for everything...and that cause would have to be personal, powerful, intelligent, and moral to the ultimate degree. Order never comes from chaos, and messages like DNA or morality only come from minds.


You have a wonderful role model:

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Deuteronomy: 20:10-16 "When you come to a city to fight against it, then first proclaim peace toward it. If it answers for peace, and opens its gates to you, then all the people found therein shall be your slaves, and they shall serve you. If it won?t make peace, but will make war against you, then you shall besiege it. And when the LORD thy God has delivered it into your hands, you shall kill every male inside with the edge of your sword. But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the fortunes inside, shall you take for yourself; and you shall eat all the good things of your enemy, which the LORD thy God has given you. Thus you shall do to every city even faraway which are not among your chosen nations. In these cities, which the LORD thy God gives you for an inheritance, you shall leave nothing left alive" ?


I've decided to take up the teachings of your god and go and murder the owners of the local cake shop; but I'm not sure if I should steal their produce before or after killing them? Or should I take them as my slaves instead, all this is new to me, so I'm not sure on the correct order. What should I do with their children - the implication is rather unsavoury? Do I need to search the cake shop for any mice too and ensure they are all slain?

I see you never got around to picking up a science book. Your final sentence is incorrect "Order never comes from chaos, and messages like DNA or morality only come from minds." I've mentioned this before but you prefer to keep coming out with the same ignorant b.s. instead of researching your facts... but then you are a YEC, so I don't expect you to know anything about science or reality. By the way, has anyone mentioned to you that the Sun doesn't revolve around the Earth and the Earth isn't flat... just thought I'd mention it in case your scientific knowledge hadn't progressed even that far.


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27 Aug 2014, 7:37 am

The devil is a stupid quadrasexual, deviant sociopsychoskitzopath.

It wants everyone to be just like it.

This does not make any sence. My point exactly.

Stop making sence.


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27 Aug 2014, 12:48 pm

AspieUtah wrote:
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You know God seems kinda selfish you know...all about everyone worshiping him, putting him first in life, and all that...what is he a Narcissist?

No, the narcissists are those who are professional athletes, musicians, actors and reality-show contestants who end up selling T-shirts, sweatshirts, hats, Frisbees, shoes, bumper stickers, coffee mugs and cell-phone covers with their names printed on them. Or, are their fans even more narcissistic by buying that useless merchandise believing that it identifies and articulates their most personally held beliefs because they have no idea how to express those beliefs otherwise? Now, THAT is selfish.


I don't know the reason I buy band t-shirts and what not is to show I like the music of those bands and find it worth it going to their shows to see them play. Though admittedly I am not much into mainstream popular music really, not even sure what the current trend is since I haven't been following it....to stuck on metal, rock, goth, rock, punk, psychedelic, industrial and such. I did have a t-shirt with Johhny Depp as Jack Sparrow on it, don't know what happened to it but I enjoyed the movie and think he's a great actor.

Now of course some people get ridiculous, and I don't doubt some people in the catagories you describe are narcissists....even so doesn't change the fact God still seems like one.


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27 Aug 2014, 12:50 pm

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The devil is a stupid quadrasexual, deviant sociopsychoskitzopath.

It wants everyone to be just like it.

This does not make any sence. My point exactly.

Stop making sence.


That sounds cool, I want to be a sociopsychoskitzopath to lol, if that's an actual thing. not entirely sure about the quadrasexual bit though, what exactly does that mean, seems intriguing.


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27 Aug 2014, 12:56 pm

Moviefan2k4 wrote:
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^ I'm sure the old testament is full of god's narcissism; doesn't he demand to be worshipped and demand that no other gods be worshipped and also there is something about him being a jealous god. He then goes on to murder countless numbers of people and act in barbaric ways throughout the old testament. Sounds like a nasty sod to me with an ego the size of a planet and a petulant temper to match.
God can;t commit murder, because as the Creator of all life, He's perfectly within His rights to take it back at His own discretion. We're banned from doing that because we don't create life; even parents are just combining what God already designed when He created the human reproductive systems.

As for Him being jealous, that's a reference to Him rightfully deserving worship as the sole Creator. Regardless of whether someone believes its the God of Scripture, there has to be an uncaused first cause for everything...and that cause would have to be personal, powerful, intelligent, and moral to the ultimate degree. Order never comes from chaos, and messages like DNA or morality only come from minds.


I don't know about that, if I was like a super genius and somehow created a synthetic human, with feelings, emotions all the qualities of a human being. Would I then have the right to kill them without it being murder? I think not unless of course they tried to kill/harm me or someone else then it would be in defense. Also should I then expect that creation of mine to worship me because i created it? and then expect its offspring to worship me(though not sure they'd be capable of child-birth, might have to work on that bit)? Also do we worship our parents because they create us via sexual intercourse?

He sounds like an overly-entitled god as well.


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27 Aug 2014, 1:15 pm

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He sounds like an overly-entitled god as well.


In short, the Christian god sounds like a narcissistic psychopath to me. Have you seen some of the vicious stuff in the bible? This site shows the true face of the god of the bible:
http://www.evilbible.com/


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27 Aug 2014, 1:39 pm

TallyMan wrote:
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He sounds like an overly-entitled god as well.


In short, the Christian god sounds like a narcissistic psychopath to me. Have you seen some of the vicious stuff in the bible? This site shows the true face of the god of the bible:
http://www.evilbible.com/


I used to be a christian, so I've read that book....part of why I sort of ended up rejecting the religion, there are of course some other reasons as well but just seemed kinda screwed up.


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27 Aug 2014, 1:53 pm

If God really exists then he would be entitled to think of himself as...God!

That doesnt bother me.

Calling God a 'murderer' would be like calling a bachelor 'single'. Its a tautology.

If the universe in which we live had a creator then that creator deliberately created creation to be as it is: populated by mortals. He could have made us all to be immortal. But he choose to make us all mortal- so he has already slaughtered us all via planned obsolescence. Doesnt matter what kind of personality he has-whether he is the vengeful God of the OT, or the nice guy of the NT, or some other kinda diety in some other religion. Any God you postulate as a creator for this universe would be a mass murderer by definition.