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10 Sep 2014, 6:20 pm

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We're more violent period, we just happen to use guns a lot because we have them, but even our non-gun violent crime is comparatively high. More importantly, all the countries trotted out as gun control "success" stories, Oz, England, Japan, etc, never had a violent crime problem on par with ours


That is not really true, England was extremely violent, in fact you could say much, much more violent that US is today.

We had feudalism, private armies, mob justice, personal disputes were handled by violence, there were no police forces.

Ironically what has made us less violent was the Victorians. We were brutal in many ways around the world, but is was organized, and as far personal behavior was concerned certain manners were introduced which weren't there before, at least amongst our own countermen. In fact a lot of what is considered Britishness is from then.

Also various social reforms that came as a response to the industrial revolution.

Also the English Civil war killed more English than any other conflict, so the after the failed Commonwealth the Restoration and Regency period was like a gradual transition.

The first police force was formed, and it really was community driven. The Bow Street Runners became the Metropolitan Police Service. Sir Robert Peel came up with the concept of an ethical police, and at the heart of the philosophy was "policing by consent".

US has a massive territory and expansion west. Law had to be taken into the pioneers own hands there was no other solution in the interim, US was its own colony, you only achieved full universal suffrage in the 1960s.



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10 Sep 2014, 9:45 pm

0_equals_true wrote:
That is not really true, England was extremely violent, in fact you could say much, much more violent that US is today.

We had feudalism, private armies, mob justice, personal disputes were handled by violence, there were no police forces.

Ironically what has made us less violent was the Victorians. We were brutal in many ways around the world, but is was organized, and as far personal behavior was concerned certain manners were introduced which weren't there before, at least amongst our own countermen. In fact a lot of what is considered Britishness is from then.

Also various social reforms that came as a response to the industrial revolution.

Also the English Civil war killed more English than any other conflict, so the after the failed Commonwealth the Restoration and Regency period was like a gradual transition.

The first police force was formed, and it really was community driven. The Bow Street Runners became the Metropolitan Police Service. Sir Robert Peel came up with the concept of an ethical police, and at the heart of the philosophy was "policing by consent".

US has a massive territory and expansion west. Law had to be taken into the pioneers own hands there was no other solution in the interim, US was its own colony, you only achieved full universal suffrage in the 1960s.


I was referring to the modern era, specifically the time-frame surrounding the adoption of strict gun control, say from the 1950s or so onward, as IIRC that's when the British government secretly decided to "discourage" its subjects from believing in self defense.


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10 Sep 2014, 9:51 pm

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^I don't think you see what I was getting at.One of the states with the fewest amount of owners has one of highest rate of gun violence,proving that the amount of guns in the population isn't the problem,it's the people that have the guns.Most of those crimes were probably committed with an illegal purchase by criminals.
By the way,liberal,democrat and a gun owner.We do exist.


I'm a democrat. I lean left on education, welfare , gay rights and few other things. but most democrat politicians and most democrat sites are anti gun. the party is anti gun. I accept that reality.

I've always wondered why the party of equality and human rights abruptly draws the line at gun rights and stubbornly sticks to it .......


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11 Sep 2014, 8:09 am

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I'm a democrat. I lean left on education, welfare , gay rights and few other things. but most democrat politicians and most democrat sites are anti gun. the party is anti gun. I accept that reality.


Whiles most of their sites are fairly (or often times extremely) anti-gun, it is only a slight majority of the politicians themselves. It depends on the state and district. Granted, they won't loudly announce their stance, as it contradicts the party platform, but there are plenty of Dems that get piles of campaign cash from the NRA and vote on a strict hands off my guns line. Just remember that the expanded background check bill vote was majority against (and the most one-sided vote since Obama took office by far).


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