I cannot comprehend Gamergate

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Sorry Orangez if some of us want equal representation of everyone in games unlike you. It's not f*****g irrelevant to call out sexism in games when it happens so often.

And the mobile games comment was not needed, as women aren't the only ones who play them. Then again from your posts, you seem to hate women, so I'm not even going to waste any more time on someone like you.

The mobile gaming market is about 60% females, therefore, has a female bent to it. Why does equal representation even matter? Why not instead force on making the best game possible rather than pandering to a group of people. Wouldn't that pandering be called racist or sexist since they only put it in to check off a box. I am sorry that I believe in free speech.

Define what you mean by the phrase in bold.



Because mobile games are what, somehow lesser games? Is playing them somehow demeaning?



"In lieu of anything resembling an argument I'm going to use my most awesome insult ever then run away from the conversation."

And now some STATISTICAL ANALYSIS!

That's right, women are in the majority. Despite games being designed to oppress or demean or rape them or something. Oddly though, it only seems to be a rambunctious minority of politically-motivated shit-stirrers who are complaining about the content of said games. Everyone else, men and women alike, are united in enjoying games for precisely what they are, a multi-faceted smorgasbord of entertainment.

Of course, there's still the 'hardcore' gaming scene, which is a primarily male pastime. But then so is fishing, watching sport, hunting, etc. The fact is there are things that most women enjoy that most men don't, and vice versa. Likewise there is a quite sizeable overlap in those things that both sexes largely enjoy. Women are not being denied access to football stadiums or golf courses, they're simply choosing to do other things instead. What exactly is the problem with that?

If you genuinely take issue with some of the content in videogames, play games that are better suited to your tender sensibilities. After all, nobody is forcing you to buy and play them.

There have been running battles between SJWs from tumblr/twitter/reddit and the userbase of 4chan for some time now, that's basically all there is to it. Most people involved in this don't care much about Zoe Quinn or "video game journalism" or whatever, it's just a vehicle to attack people they consider their enemy and push their own agenda. Neckbeards vs legbeards.

I didn't really say they're different, I was just pointing out some of the factors that have caused tension in the gaming industry.



She distorts and she's judgmental, she doesn't know what she's talking about, that's enough for a lot of people.



The problem is that the reviews determine what gets made to some extent, due to things like designer bonuses being tied to meta scores, so there is reason to be concerned about the injection of politics into the review process, as I don't want to have my games approved by the PC police. Further, if the political injection had come from the other direction, games being dinged for being disrespectful of religion or things to that effect, the same people defending the reviewers docking points for perceived sexism would be howling for blood, so there's also a double standard involved.

You are no more championing free speech than SJWs are.

No, not all woman gamers play mobile games, some like the shooters and action games as well. In fact, there are women playing all genres of games. So, it's logical that if a substantial proportion of gamers are women, then the games themselves should be more inclusive and like in all other forms of media, we should try and limit sexist portrayals of women in standard designs to make them better. That's not to say that there will no longer be sexism in video games but if there is, it will be criticised like it is in all other forms of media.

Fixing the quoting on previous post:

So [i]not[i] inserting naked women who don't affect the plot is somehow "pandering to a group of people", but having said naked women is merely "making the best game possible"?


You are no more championing free speech than SJWs are.

Gamergate is all a wasted mess that will accomplish nothing but make people more pissed off.

It started with a sentiment that the industry was essentially "reviewing" it's own games by influencing the reviewers, thereby making it more difficult for quality games to get through without insider help. A legitimate concern and complaint. Unfortunately, the ranting of an angry ex-boyfriend was used as "proof" of it happening, and since it involved a woman being cast as a "slut" and "cheating whore" by her ex, the MRAs promptly hijacked the movement and turned it into a sexist 4chan debacle, threatening rape/kidnapping/murder of all opposition without testicles. Sarkeesian just got roped in because she happened to be a popular woman saying things that the PUA/MRA gamers already hated. Sarkeesian goes too far sometimes and does way too much stretching in some of her claims, but for the most part she is pretty on the money, which IMHO is part of why she gets more than the average number of death and rape threats.

Oh, and if you aren't following the gamergate mess, supposedly all those death threats and rape threats are entirely made up just so the feminists can destroy gaming and take it away from the rightful male gaming faithful (if you follow that line of logic please explain it, as all previous attempts have completely failed to make sense to me).

SJWs suck, and so do MRAs. I'm a gamer, I like video games, I do NOT like sexist BS.

That sounds more like a SJW conspiracy theory you might read on tumblr than anything else. There have been claims that specific threats were made up, with some compelling supporting data, but you would have to be especially stupid to believe that all the trolls are sock-puppets. It's as idiotic as the notion that everyone using the #gamergate tag is doing so because they dislike women.



What do MRAs have to do with this? Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there are MRAs who support the movement, but GG has nothing to do with men's rights.

I'd assume most of the people who were spamming Zoe Quinn's Twitter page are MRAs, though I could be wrong.

What is wrong with naked females? For example, if a game where to take place in a strip bar, then it would make the world more believable if there were naked females in it.

I am sorry that I give off the impression. Unlike most people I believe in free speech completely. Anyone can say anything stupid if they want to. If someone wants to put a gay character in their game, then they can put a gay character in the game. I think forcing someone to add something to their creation just for pandering is the worst.

What would MRAs gain from doing so?



This is one of the more baffling complaints I see about games. Is feminism just re-branded puritanism, masquerading as progressive liberalism?



And if someone wants to make a radfem emasculate-em-up, that's absolutely fine too - especially if it's fun to play. Separating reality from fiction is a common trait of gamers. Perhaps a lack of it is what causes confusion for SJWs.

Like it or not, our entertainment is one of our windows onto the world. It's a great thing, as far as I can see, to encourage people to understand that we often automatically internalise a lot of that. If people begin to understand that process, then hopefully they can make their own internalisation less automatic. Cultural critics are valuable for this reason, be they feminist or otherwise.

On the other hand, It is reasonable to take social critics to task for a lot of things they do often like ignoring the context of the entire work, Ignoring satirical nuances in order to score cheap political points. But, especially, calling for the banning of works they don't agree with. Censorship usually becomes an ultimately self defeating slippery slope, even when initially deployed against things that you disagree with. It is disappointing when feminists who make a lot of good points start morphing into coercive ideological gatekeepers.

Political correctness is important. It has de-normalised casual bigotry, removing much of that burden from millions of people. However political correctness has also at various times, in various locales, in various ways been wielded to attack political opponents for reasons that have nothing to do with their being racist or sexist.

On (apparently) the other side, MRA's scrap together all of the mud they can to sling at feminists. Generally, their favourite political parties don't poll well with certain demographics; young women especially. So, to appeal to these demo's they construct narratives about feminist supremacy and how how modern feminism is infantilising to women and how feminists are evil egotists who run around wrecking things they don't understand for shallowly understood ideological reasons. And, to fight all of this, the only thing to do is to vote for X. All points with a grain of truth to them, but still misleadingly un-nuanced and selective. The point is to convince people to associate themselves with a certain political party they wouldn't vote for otherwise while crustying up some of the popular ideological pillars of political opponents.

Gratuitous nudity is overwhelmingly one-way. It objectifies women, male gaze, blah blah, you know all this stuff.

It's nothing to do with realism - just set your game somewhere where there aren't naked women. Why is there a strip club in every open-world game?

This video is a really worthwhile watch. I learned a lot from it and it's obvious the commenter knows her stuff.

Sure thing. If you want to say that sexism in video games should remain legal under freedom of expression then that's fine, but you've also got to allow for cultural criticism of video games (and other media, just to be clear - I don't think there's anything intrinsic in video games that makes them worse than books or films or TV shows, but their relative newness has led to few people engaging in substantial criticism before now so maybe they're a bit behind the curve).

I do think there's a place for titillation, but I wonder how people would react if the next Rockstar game had a gay strip club.