Been thinking about what happened in France...

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I believe in true freedom it means to like or not to like. How is that victim blaming? I don't see how people can take comments made about a publication as victim blaming. Victim blaming is when you say someone doesn't deserve to be punished for a crime they committed due to the person the crime was committed against but I believe when you break the law, you have to face the consequences so when you go in with guns and you murder, you must be punished. That is not victim blaming.

No, you're victim blaming making it sound like these people were "asking for it" for making cartoons about one religion.

This is something else that confuses me...how you make the jump from what I typed and posted to "the brothers were justified for killing the satirists." I haven't posted anything remotely close to that statement and have said the opposite in more than one post.

The only thing I have typed that could possibly be misinterpreted was the part about look what the insults gets you but let's be honest...look what happened here. If these people never insulted they simply would not have been targeted by these terrorists although, yes, they could have been in the wrong place at the wrong time which many of us are - which is why they need to lock the terrorists away and keep them there- but they would not have been specifically targeted like they were. I am just being honest. They were targeted specifically because they insulted and this does not mean they deserved to be targeted - they just were.

They don't deserve to be targeted more than anyone else none of us should ever be targeted which is why I say, just put the terrorist in prison and keep him there. That way he cannot go out and commit terrorist acts.

Absolutely not and I already explained many times I simply commented on their publication which they published. They made it available for me to comment on. I have not suggested they deserve any violence. I haven't suggested the terrorists shouldn't be punished. I have suggested people should talk it out instead of resorting to violence.

I guess you haven't read my posts.

^victim blaming^

If they hadn't done x, then they wouldn't have been victimized. You don't seem to understand your own argument.

After the terrorists themselves said the magazine was targeted for insulting the prophet, why would you say that is an example of victim blaming? That is merely an example of why the terrorists said they were targeted.

It's the same as saying someone was targeted for a crime because of opportunity or something like that... even because of race or another reason it's simply why they are targeted not blaming them for what happened.

But here's the catcher, you cannot change your race, or your gender, or the way you look, but you can change certain things that are in your best interest to help avoid situations in the first place. It's not blaming you, it's helping you avoid harm. It's the same as being proactive and who isn't? Most people are proactive when it comes to protecting themselves, I know I am. It's not accepting blame, it's simply saying I am going to minimize my chances of becoming the victim of a crime because I know, at the end of the day, I have to do something myself. No one is going to be there for me but me so what can I do? I don't feel that is the same as accepting blame for the actions of others and I don't see why anyone would but at the same time, I want to prevent that action if possible because it is what's best for me. See what I am saying? I mean it's obvious the state isn't going to do much.

And furthermore, if the one brother would have tried to get into the US, he wouldn't have been allowed in. He was a terrorist waiting for an opportunity so why let him into your country? People criticize Homeland Security but look at what happens if you let them in. It is up to government to say that is a terrorist waiting for an opportunity, do not let him in under any circumstance and people have to support government when it says that.

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I get sick and tired of hearing these kinds of people going apeshit and going on a massive killing spree over a cartoon that has offended them. They will never take away our freedom of expression Id say post more cartoons to make em more angry and give them a fake address of where the cartoons are being posted so when the terrorists show up they get ambushed! Its kinda like going crabbing set a trap let all the crabs go for the bait and you got em en masse!

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Okay. I get what you're saying. A person can put themselves in a vulnerable position. Like, don't get drunk at a frat party. This situation with Charlie Habdo is different because they created the situation which led to their death ... or maybe not ... they were reacting to political conditions in France which I have no idea of the details. I think that it doesn't matter what set these events in motion. The way they ended is the problem and that is due to the murderers.

Yes, exactly, don't get drunk at a frat party never excuses the crime of another. Nothing excuses a crime. There are not any excuses. When people offer advice, they are not trying to place blame on whomever they are talking to, they are simply trying to be helpful. It's a matter of wanting to protect people.

Except the satirists maybe were moved to express these opinions. They knew their lives were under threat. So in this case maybe they felt it was worth the risk.

Literally millions of people have died for the cause of human freedomS.

Every word for just the opportunity to speak freely on the Internet stands upon the soldiers of ALL these dead men and women.

One does not have to enlist in an army to fight for freedom anymore than one has to enlist in a church of Muslim to believe in GOD.

Fighting for freedom with one's own heart is as free as freedom ITSELF.

And that is SIMPLY WHAT THE WRITERS DID, and still do, GIVE THEIR LIFE FOR FREEDOM.

AND I SAY BRAVO TO THEM, AND ALL THE OTHER BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN WHO DID IT EITHER FREELY like these brave and courageous women and men did, or those who were DRAFTED, OR ENLISTED IN THE MILITARY VOLUNTARILY.

They are all true HEROES OF FREEDOM, AND DESERVE OUR respect and disagreement, as you are doing here, in the same spirit of freedom that they died for so SHOOT AHEAD, IN WHATEVER your opinion may be, as I for one WILL DIE FOR THAT FREEDOM, any now of any now, as I FOR ONE, understand the value of what I have as a U.S. citizen.

And nah, that ain't crazy, that's just what humans with TRUE EMPATHY FOR ALL the rest of herd do in life, as TRUE HEROES AS HUMAN BEINGS for all others too, and not just one self.

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I don't know if that's true. I do know publishing revolves around how many copies they sell and if people are buying certain things, they tend to focus on more of what people are willing to hand over the money for.

Very good interview about this:
Interview with Bernard Henri Levy

I completely and utterly disagree. This HONORS their memory. THIS is freedom of speech! This is what it is. You would dishonor their memory by CENSORING any speech concerning them.

I just can't believe the irony. It's so...profound.

The politician that wants to shush us from talking about the magazine is doing EXACTLY what people who are against freedom of speech are trying to do!! Isn't that obvious? SMH.

I am not talking about the cartoonists themselves, I am referring to what they put in their magazine. That is what the majority of my posts are about. They can put whatever they want in their magazine but I cannot talk about the content of their magazine. I find this disturbing.

NYT link

Found this ^ while looking around the web. Its an interesting read.

The ignorance here is almost beyond belief.

The speaker is NOT a politician. He is a very famous writer and public intellectual.

The people at Charlie Hebdo were anti-racists, and for multiculturalism.

They were against respect for bull from any political quarter or religion.

It's sad that you have to keep inventing nonsense about these people in order to justify putting the blame on them.