Why does the left feel the need to attack others all the tim
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As an atheist I'm glad that I didn't have to get married in a church. My husband's brother married us (he is a pastor) but the ceremony was secular. A lot of non-religious people get married and we don't see marriage as something that has to be religious.
As far as politics, I'm far left of most of the United State's left so I don't relate to them that much. My moral values center around harm avoidance/optimization of happiness and well-being.
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No.
Then you're ignoring the facts of American history, which is in large part about race relations.
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As far as politics, I'm far left of most of the United State's left so I don't relate to them that much. My moral values center around harm avoidance/optimization of happiness and well-being.
As a mainline Christian, I agree 100% with your moral values.

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Number 2: I am a Christian. I am a baptized, practicing Lutheran. I just have a problem with the Christian right, which does a definite disservice to the whole mainline Christian movement.
being as you want to ban/heavily restrict guns, you do have a problem with gun owners.
or you'd instead target the bad people rather than the object they use.
you do know many racist also said "I don't have a problem with black people, just the trouble makers"
who gets on news people defending themselves? the people doing legal and pre approved protests?
the media puts anyone near a gun on the news like its something bad in order to push their agenda that all guns and their owners are bad.
criminals while own guns don't represent the mass majority of gun owners and laws directed at legal gun owners is like killing the pigs to catch the fox.
Do you believe racism is just a white phenomenon?
While plenty of non-whites are racists, how much power have they actually possessed in order to disenfranchise "the other" that whites have been able to do with the power that comes with white skin?
so racism is ok if it only hurts a few people?
I think all racism is equally bad.
Not at all. You were referring to our society, not some former societal configuration, which is now history. Things have changed since then. Black skin is just as powerful as white skin.
I consider myself to be on the political left. I don't attack people on the right as much as I like to try and guide people into seeing a different point of view to the one we are always told is correct via the media etc.
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Number 2: I am a Christian. I am a baptized, practicing Lutheran. I just have a problem with the Christian right, which does a definite disservice to the whole mainline Christian movement.
being as you want to ban/heavily restrict guns, you do have a problem with gun owners.
or you'd instead target the bad people rather than the object they use.
you do know many racist also said "I don't have a problem with black people, just the trouble makers"
who gets on news people defending themselves? the people doing legal and pre approved protests?
the media puts anyone near a gun on the news like its something bad in order to push their agenda that all guns and their owners are bad.
criminals while own guns don't represent the mass majority of gun owners and laws directed at legal gun owners is like killing the pigs to catch the fox.
I'm not interested in banning guns, with the exception of very, very few examples of military equipment. Again, the "usual suspects" have defamed me in the eyes of this forum.
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Not at all. You were referring to our society, not some former societal configuration, which is now history. Things have changed since then. Black skin is just as powerful as white skin.
I think most black Americans would disagree with you. If you could live your life as a black man, you're opinion would change pretty quick.
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Do you believe racism is just a white phenomenon?
While plenty of non-whites are racists, how much power have they actually possessed in order to disenfranchise "the other" that whites have been able to do with the power that comes with white skin?
so racism is ok if it only hurts a few people?
I think all racism is equally bad.
I never said that. What I said was, whites have more power than blacks to suppress people of different color.
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Wow! I go to sleep last night thinking that this topic is about "the left" and other political parties who hope to score points by attacking others and ignoring their own laws and rules against doing so.
This morning, I wake up to a cluster-conflation (mash-up) of anti-vaccine klansmen and other Democrats (yes, the KKK found a home within the southern Democratic Party of the mid-1800s), racism (if I oppose the "knock-out game" and shooting blacks in the back, am I racist or do they cancel each other?), homophobia and feminine characteristics (I, too, rebuilt my car engine, own guns, wear a beard and have many other non-gay characteristics, but whatever), Christian bakers and photographers (some of whom have apparently lost so much business from their 15 minutes of fame that they are now bankrupt), and marriage (birth and marriage certificates were popularized by the Jim Crow laws of the Reconstructionist South). Yikes!
It is almost as if they designed our national dialogue to whip up emotions in exactly these ways; why comply with such forced nonsense? Live your life and call it good. Besides, what are we being distracted from in the meantime?
Another day at Wrong Planet....
Meanwhile, I am off to the Communicating Success on the Autism Spectrum workshop at the University of Utah ( http://www.perfectfifthproject.org/ ) where I hope we learn new things to help ourselves and others. See y'all this afternoon!
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to prevent SERIOUS DISEASES.
If we don't vaccinate, we'll be back to square one. Kids would get polio again, as well as all those other lovely diseases like diphtheria.
Talk to someone who lived in the era before polio vaccination. You'll change your tune right fast!
people should not be FORCED to take them though that is what I disagree with. I get vaccines, I will fight to the death against forcing people to get them. just as I would for gay rights.
not everyone does it now and theres no polio. so this is just a emotional reaction trying to pass a law. laws should never be based on emotional overreactions.
I think that you fail to appreciate just how bad some of these diseases were and that measles, which was supposed to have been eradicated in the United States in 2000 via mass immunization but is now making a comeback due to declining vaccination rates in certain parts of the country, and so fail to understand how important vaccines are. (It has been said that vaccines are a victim of their own success.) Measles, I must tell you, is a particularly serious, potentially fatal disease that can permanently debilitate a person.
Also, your use of the word FORCED is misleading. It appears that you have generally ignored my posts which made clear just how mass vaccination is achieved. I am not going to explain how it is any more. I've already done it in the other thread. If you keep ignoring my posts, then that is YOUR problem.
nope I just don't believe in forcing people to do as you want. you think i don't see the reason for vaccines. I do I feel unsure about them as they keep making more and more and more. i know the drug company make billions of them and I don't trust their greed. the hpv had problems with it mistakes and errors were made. why are you so fast to trust greedy drug companies. if they found a cure for all illnesses that only needed to be used once and all future kids would have it in their system. they would burn it and make one that is required daily. this is who you put your full blind trust into.
the post made it seem like it was going be forced to everyone kids, adults all of them.
i will get my kids vaccinated for some things, after lots of research. i will not have them forced to get the ones I decided against.
Then you should prepare for schools not admitting your children. That is how they enforce the laws that exist in all 50 states requiring you to vaccinate your child in order for them to attend school. No law has ever permitted, say, law enforcement to show up at your door, take your child, and then force the needle on them.
And in actuality for adults, even in the case of what would happen if smallpox returned (which would be intentional because it has been eliminated worldwide except for some stocks), the CDC's would not force vaccines on people. (Nevertheless, if you've been exposed and refuse the vaccine, you would be placed in isolation to prevent smallpox from spreading, but still the vaccine would never be "pushed" on you.) If you would like further details, I point you to the CDC's own website:
Officials will tell people where to go for care if they think they have smallpox.
Smallpox patients will be isolated (kept away from other people who could get sick from them) and will receive the best medical care possible. Isolation prevents the virus from spreading to others.
Anyone who has had contact with a smallpox patient will be offered smallpox vaccination as soon as possible. Then, the people who have had contact with those individuals will also be vaccinated. Following vaccination, these people will need to watch for any signs of smallpox. People who have been exposed to smallpox may be asked to take their temperatures regularly and report the results to their health department.
The smallpox vaccine may also be offered to those who have not been exposed, but would like to be vaccinated. At local clinics, the risks and benefits of the vaccine will be explained and professionals will be available to answer questions.
No one will be forced to be vaccinated, even if they have been exposed to smallpox.
To prevent smallpox from spreading, anyone who has been in contact with a person with smallpox but who decides not to get the vaccine may need to be isolated for at least 18 days. During this time, they will be checked for symptoms of smallpox.
People placed in isolation will not be able to go to work. Steps will be taken to care for their everyday needs (e.g., food and other needs).
Also, smallpox returning would be considered an emergency by the CDC. And looking at the history of the disease, it looked very awful and was clearly much worse than chickenpox, both in the way it made you appear and also in the way that smallpox was about a third of the time fatal.
http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/smallpox/ba ... tbreak.asp
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And regarding the "profits" motivating vaccines, you should keep in mind that in the rest of the developed world vaccines are required and they are not nearly as profitable in those other countries because of their universal health care systems negotiating the prices down. In fact, the federal government has had to partially subsidize vaccines in order to maintain a strong stock here.
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