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04 Jun 2015, 11:42 am

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Your description suggests otherwise. So, I need to ask, what happened to your nation's firearm policies?


I'm sorry I don't understand your question...What part are you refering to?



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04 Jun 2015, 11:50 am

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AspieUtah wrote:
Your description suggests otherwise. So, I need to ask, what happened to your nation's firearm policies?

I'm sorry I don't understand your question...What part are you refering to?

Just this:

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For a hunting weapon you need to have a hunters license in Sweden. And for target shooting you need to be a member and show results from trainings and so on. You are not allowed to walk on the street with a weapon. And you need a license for every gun. And to have old weapons you need to be able to prove that you have a real interest, like an collection. If an owner of such a weapon wants to shoot with it than he has to apply for a license for every time. It is also regulated so that you can not hunt with gun that is for target shooting.
The fully automatic weapons are extremely regulated and is only allowed for a few that do it for a sport.

It is extremely regulated....

It seems to me that these restrictions don't comport with the idea of a neutral nation which would likely have an interest in an armed populace if only for the reason of maintaining its ability to remain neutral.


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04 Jun 2015, 11:56 am

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For a hunting weapon you need to have a hunters license in Sweden. And for target shooting you need to be a member and show results from trainings and so on.

Yes, I know that. I did mention you just have to jump through more hoops to get one.

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You are not allowed to walk on the street with a weapon.

Not sure how that would prevent you from getting shot because there's also a law against murdering people which obviously doesn't stop everyone and I doubt the people who are ok with breaking the murder law would conversely be opposed to breaking the walking on the street law. People aren't allowed to walk around with a weapon in Los Angeles but that doesn't stop this city from having the highest gun crime rate.

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The fully automatic weapons are extremely regulated and is only allowed for a few that do it for a sport.
Right but you can't have one for any reason in the US.

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Where did you get your information from?


The gun rates are publicly available. Here's a link on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_ ... by_country


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04 Jun 2015, 12:09 pm

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Bondkatten wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
Your description suggests otherwise. So, I need to ask, what happened to your nation's firearm policies?

I'm sorry I don't understand your question...What part are you refering to?

Just this:

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For a hunting weapon you need to have a hunters license in Sweden. And for target shooting you need to be a member and show results from trainings and so on. You are not allowed to walk on the street with a weapon. And you need a license for every gun. And to have old weapons you need to be able to prove that you have a real interest, like an collection. If an owner of such a weapon wants to shoot with it than he has to apply for a license for every time. It is also regulated so that you can not hunt with gun that is for target shooting.
The fully automatic weapons are extremely regulated and is only allowed for a few that do it for a sport.

It is extremely regulated....
It seems to me that these restrictions don't comport with the idea of a neutral nation which would likely have an interest in an armed populace if only for the reason of maintaining its ability to remain neutral.

Thanks for clarifying.
I find your train of thought interesting, I never saw it like that. I think that in a way people here in Sweden are spoiled with a long time of peace.

You also have to think that in Sweden the socialists have been in power for a very long time, even the right winged parties are a bit socialistic. 8O
The socialist also work together with the left and well they always want to scale down on the military so I suppose that would also want to have very restrictive gun rules.
I like agree with certain aspects of fewer guns. I think it’s good that it is restricted. But on other hand I think that many people here are idealists without common sense. Like scaling down the military. There are people here that believe that if we have no weapons, no one will see us an enemy and leave us alone. Which is stupid as hell! People forget how close we are to Russia…



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04 Jun 2015, 12:22 pm

Alex you made it sound like it was very easy to get a weapon here, it is not. Yes Sweden is on number 9 and the US is number 1 on the list. In the US 88,8 /100 have a gun and in Sweden 31.6/100 that is a big difference.



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04 Jun 2015, 12:22 pm

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Thanks for clarifying.
I find your train of thought interesting, I never saw it like that. I think that in a way people here in Sweden are spoiled with a long time of peace.

You also have to think that in Sweden the socialists have been in power for a very long time, even the right winged parties are a bit socialistic. 8O
The socialist also work together with the left and well they always want to scale down on the military so I suppose that would also want to have very restrictive gun rules.
I like agree with certain aspects of fewer guns. I think it’s good that it is restricted. But on other hand I think that many people here are idealists without common sense. Like scaling down the military. There are people here that believe that if we have no weapons, no one will see us an enemy and leave us alone. Which is stupid as hell! People forget how close we are to Russia…

Thank you! Your opinions about Sweden seem true to me. :)

I have never visited Sweden, and my only connection to it is that the King of Sweden Olof Skotkonung Eiríksson (abt. 980–1022) was one of my multi-great grandfathers; in other words, very little. Still, it bothers me that, like many in the United States, there are people who apparently want to make nations vulnerable. That is what I disagree with.


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04 Jun 2015, 12:37 pm

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Thank you! Your opinions about Sweden seem true to me. :)

I have never visited Sweden, and my only connection to it is that the King of Sweden Olof Skotkonung Eiríksson (abt. 980–1022) was one of my multi-great grandfathers; in other words, very little. Still, it bothers me that, like many in the United States, there are people who apparently want to make nations vulnerable. That is what I disagree with.


haha that is funny that you are family with Olof Skötkonung :D

It is difficult, with the whole part of defense and weapons. I think we all need a good defense, because the world looks like it does, filled with insane people that want to destroy and conquer. But at the same time it pisses me of that it is needed, and that so much money is spend on these thing. There are so many other better thing to spend money on that would help people, but you cannot close your eyes and pretend that the world is a better place than it is. Even if it would be nicer that way. :)



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04 Jun 2015, 12:42 pm

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AspieUtah wrote:
Thank you! Your opinions about Sweden seem true to me. :)

I have never visited Sweden, and my only connection to it is that the King of Sweden Olof Skotkonung Eiríksson (abt. 980–1022) was one of my multi-great grandfathers; in other words, very little. Still, it bothers me that, like many in the United States, there are people who apparently want to make nations vulnerable. That is what I disagree with.

haha that is funny that you are family with Olof Skötkonung :D

I know almost nothing about him. Was he a tyrant? He apparently didn't protect his kingdom.

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...It is difficult, with the whole part of defense and weapons. I think we all need a good defense, because the world looks like it does, filled with insane people that want to destroy and conquer. But at the same time it pisses me of that it is needed, and that so much money is spend on these thing. There are so many other better thing to spend money on that would help people, but you cannot close your eyes and pretend that the world is a better place than it is. Even if it would be nicer that way. :)

I believe this, too.


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04 Jun 2015, 12:55 pm

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For a hunting weapon you need to have a hunters license in Sweden. And for target shooting you need to be a member and show results from trainings and so on. You are not allowed to walk on the street with a weapon. And you need a license for every gun. And to have old weapons you need to be able to prove that you have a real interest, like an collection. If an owner of such a weapon wants to shoot with it than he has to apply for a license for every time. It is also regulated so that you can not hunt with gun that is for target shooting.
The fully automatic weapons are extremely regulated and is only allowed for a few that do it for a sport.

It is extremely regulated, I can not go and say hey I want a gun so I feel safe or whatever, you need to be able to say what for (few reasons like hunting and target shooting as a sport) are allowed.

Where did you get your information from?


That's just red-tape stuff, and Alex mentions it.

There's little difference in having a background check on the spot like in the US and filling out forms and paying your fee to Caesar like in Sweden. The effect on "crime" will be negligible either way. The main difference is that one is treated more like an adult and with respect, whereas the other isn't.



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04 Jun 2015, 1:43 pm

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Bondkatten wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
Thank you! Your opinions about Sweden seem true to me. :)

I have never visited Sweden, and my only connection to it is that the King of Sweden Olof Skotkonung Eiríksson (abt. 980–1022) was one of my multi-great grandfathers; in other words, very little. Still, it bothers me that, like many in the United States, there are people who apparently want to make nations vulnerable. That is what I disagree with.

haha that is funny that you are family with Olof Skötkonung :D

I know almost nothing about him. Was he a tyrant? He apparently didn't protect his kingdom.


I don't know much about him either , I think he was a Christian, and was important in bringing the religion here... :)



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04 Jun 2015, 2:09 pm

Bondkatten wrote:
I like agree with certain aspects of fewer guns. I think it’s good that it is restricted. But on other hand I think that many people here are idealists without common sense. Like scaling down the military. There are people here that believe that if we have no weapons, no one will see us an enemy and leave us alone. Which is stupid as hell! People forget how close we are to Russia…

So, wait..... What?

You have no qualms with your government / military having the SOLE means of protecting you / its citizens?







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04 Jun 2015, 2:13 pm

I have a problem with guns because they have a tendency to make people...DIE. :skull:
There are less lethal alternatives to protecting yourself.



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10 Jun 2015, 5:59 pm

I doubt it VERY MUCH that 88 out of 100 people have guns. There might be 88 guns for every 100 people here, though. Many people own ten guns or more, thus inflating the total.



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10 Jun 2015, 6:37 pm

The thing is I don't want a gun. If 90% of the population has a gun I have to buy a gun to defend myself from other gun owners. But I don't [i]want[i] one. Which is why I am personally biased toward gun control. I believe it's a myth that increasing guns reduces violence. I was doing some reading on it but the stats are very confusing and the NRA is very sneaky about distorting stats for their own benefit.

Anyway I'm in favor of a global step-by-step reduction of deadly weapons across the board. More important than guns is the nuclear weapons but that is a different topic. It makes no sense for the entire world to keep increasing their weapon supply. We're all just going to end up killing each other.



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10 Jun 2015, 6:52 pm

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I doubt it VERY MUCH that 88 out of 100 people have guns. There might be 88 guns for every 100 people here, though. Many people own ten guns or more, thus inflating the total.

You are correct on every count. It is estimated that there are about 100 million U.S. firearm owners. It is also estimated that there are about 290 million firearms owned by these owners. This leaves us with about three firearms for each owner, not each citizen. The fact that I cited was in reference to the incidence rate within a population.

That reminds me. I am lagging behind on maintaining my statistically average firearm purchases. Time to window shop at Cabelas.com! :lol:


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