Emotionalism...the bane of the Autistic...

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Good point...
And yes I have notice that inconvenient truth also...lol
But let's compare apples with apples...

Let us consider a hypothetical group of aspies with similar socioeconomic backgrounds with a similar arbitrary I.Q. level.
Now let us compare a similar NT group.
I am more than postulating that there will be a greater tendancy for the NT group to approach garden variety decision making on an intuitive rather than cognitive level compared to their aspie counterparts...

And let us not forget the power of indoctrination...
I have spent much of my life picking out neurotypically relevant irrelevancies...
Rightly or wrongly, it is my belief that we should have our own social protocols, etc rather than be afflicted with wearing a social "suit" designed for someone else...

First of all, to be clear, my last response is directed at Dox, and
not you; and no there is no evidence at all here on this site that
Autistic folks do not do that; in terms of emotionalism, overall;
they do it more; and that's my point; and you illustrated
that 'nicely' by accusing another dude here of trolling
and threatening the moderator thingy;
which he's never ever done on record
here, in terms of trolling. Yes, that is ironic;
but yes, understandable as well; per not
understanding emotional intent of
others, per cognitive empathy.

I for one am immune to this; but I for one
am rare on this site; I've never ever personally
attacked anyone directly; as is it makes
absolutely no logical sense to do that;
in logically discussing an issue; emotions
are a well known associated deficit
not advantage, of Aspie folks, in terms of Alexithymia
and not connecting language to emotion properly,
in about 85% of cases of Autism; as well as difficulty
with emotional intelligence, in clinical scales of testing
that; overall, as well. Anyway, thanks; this is a very interesting
topic of discussion.. And that my friend, is part of reciprocal
social communication; always finding common ground and agreeing on
it for social cooperation and meeting common goals and purposes in life..

And to be clear, just discussing the overall issue here; I know nothing more
about you personally here other than than words you provide so far..

The NAZI hierarchy very early on targeted the intelligentsia...one of the first groups taken to the concentration camps.
They didn't want those who could see through the NAZI emotionalism inspiring tactics interfering with the indoctrination of the masses.
BTW, I wouldn't confuse the general population with those abusing the general population through psychological trickery...

The Treaty of Versailles was a perfect emotionalistic vehicle to stampede public opinion via the national rage it (justifiably) produced...

Sports was another emotionalistic vehicle used to bridle, control and direct national direction...

And the persecution of a particular minor segment of German society further engaged mankind's evolutionarily inspired brutal tribalistic nature...

It seems emotionalism is a very effective mean of manipulation of the naked ape...

He absolutely tapped into the established cultural thread which was also established in many other parts of Europe.
It would be misleading to focus on it being a German phenomenon...

We are dealing with the nature of mankind...
Or probably more specifically, neurotypical mankind...
Not of a specific cultural group...

"The Fuhrer Principle"...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%BChrerprinzip

A bit tricky here...
Keeping in mind that you have to take everything you read with a grain of salt...
...And that the "truth" is one of the spoils of victory...

My understanding is that Hitler believed Germany lost WWI due to a Jewish conspiracy undermining the war effort behind the lines.
The Jewish persecution might have been partly payback but probably more importantly, a convenient vehicle for the manipulation of public opinion...
He could have simply exploited the human psyche to satiate his lust for power...
Now was his belief that the Jews were responsible for Germany's defeat organically emotional or rational in nature?

Then there is the speculation that Hitler's father was Jewish and abandoned his mother and himself, creating a deep and lasting resentment which coloured his perceptions.

Talk about a long bow...
What could have been the definitive/predominant motivation?
An emotional resentment...
Or calculated opportunism?

Too tricky for me, I'm afraid...

I guess I'm a little less of a 'typical autistic'. It's very important to me that I don't hurt people's feelings, I actually get very stressed about the thought. I still manage to accidentally offend people daily, though.

There was always talk about his father's illegitimate father being a wealthy Jewish man who his grandmother had worked for, though that had never been proven. In fact, in Hitler's family tree, the name Solomon appears, clearly a Jewish name. That had been something Hitler lived in fear of his whole life, and had tried to have suppressed, even going as far as having the hall of records in his home town destroyed.

Correct me if I am wrong, but we aspies are different on a *physical* neurological level, and that can never change unless we have a brain transplant.
Coping strategies can only go so far...and we will never be "typical" in nature...

Heil Schicklgruber!

Good point...
People need something to motivate then to move in one direction rather than another...
And in the context you provided, emotional investment would be the catalyst for most, I dare say.

But consider this:
Children are indoctrinated as a necessity before they have the capacity for rational thinking.
Ideas/values can be implanted which may not be organic/inherent to that individual.
In this situation, it would not be so much an emotional connection to an idea/value...
It would be an intellectual directive to behave in a certain way, wouldn't it?

Also consider that the legal fraternity, as an example, require that they maintain ethical standards regardless of their emotional need to do so.

Premise:
* A sense of morality is the result of the evolutionary process and is embedded in our genetic fabric...and it is not universal...
* Moral interpretation produces different moral standards dependent of the individual's variation and/or social/cultural influences...

Same here...
I used to go into a thought loop analysing what I had said and where I went wrong...
Personally, I think this isn't uncommon in aspies, based on personal experience...

I think you misunderstand where I am coming from...

I have never advocated a lack of emotion...
My intent was to highlight a system of behaviour governed by emotionalism where reason was dismissed as irrelevant in favour of what satisfied the emotional needs of the moment.

OP, I haven't read through your thread, but the brain is the record of the emotions of a life. You don't remember the logic of things within your memory as much as you do the way it made you feel, and very often when people recall a shared memory, they each recall slight variations of the event precisely because of the the variation between individuals and what each considered worthy of emotional significance. In your death bed, you don't remember the logic of things so much as the things that carry emotional weight. If you've endured a very hard life, this neurological record may consist more of "I never want to feel that way again," but good emotion, bad emotion, it's emotion that focuses the mind. So perhaps the logic of the heart should carry greater weight, as the humanizing element that separates us spectrum's from those neuro's.

Thank you for your contribution.
You have given me food for thought and that is always a good thing.

Cheers...