In theory, which religion has better human rights?

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09 Nov 2015, 4:49 pm

furthermore, it is pretty...overconfident for you guys to think you know better than scholars of Islam who have spent their entire lives studying the sacred texts.... just because you've read an english translation of the Qur'an in your free time.... even the radical scholars of saudi arabia, qatar, and IRAN (which is not a puppet of the US in ANY WAY) all agree that you can't just kill people for disbelieving...



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09 Nov 2015, 5:15 pm

It's not a logical fallacy.... would you rely on a High School student or someone with a Master's in biology to teach a biology class? that logical fallacy is referring to any authority in any way, for knowledge on ANY matter... not a matter which requires study like the Qur'an, biology, or economics... with someone who has invested their time and effort into it



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09 Nov 2015, 5:19 pm

or it is referring to blind imitation without critical thinking, something which many Muslim laypeople do not lack



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09 Nov 2015, 5:23 pm

Which authority would you pick? This one:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/08/malay ... t-or-logic

Or this one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turan_Dursun

The both reveal thing about Isma, but Turan had more experience,



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09 Nov 2015, 5:27 pm

0_equals_true wrote:
Which authority would you pick? This one:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/08/malay ... t-or-logic

Or this one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turan_Dursun

The both reveal thing about Isma, but Turan had more experience,

0, why why WHHHYYYY are you looking up jihadwatch.org???? goodness gracious, next thing we know you're going to be quoting pamela geller.... you of all people should know that jihadwatch is not a reliable site.....
also, look at this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM_S93W9lLM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynUpak6eW0Y



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09 Nov 2015, 5:27 pm

and you misspelled it, it's called iJma



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09 Nov 2015, 5:30 pm

MonsterCrack wrote:
0, why why WHHHYYYY are you looking up jihadwatch.org???? goodness gracious, next thing we know you're going to be quoting pamela geller.... you of all people should know that jihadwatch is not a reliable site.....


You obviously didn't check the source

http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malay ... ls-cabinet



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09 Nov 2015, 5:31 pm

okay, so you take the words of ONE mufti, and use it to make broad generalizations about Islam itself???



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09 Nov 2015, 5:33 pm

I asked you which authority you would pick Tan Sri Harussani Zakaria or Turan Dursun?

The both trained as Mufti.



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09 Nov 2015, 5:34 pm

buddhists are all about peace my ass......

http://www.economist.com/news/asia/2165 ... and-driven



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09 Nov 2015, 5:35 pm

MonsterCrack wrote:
okay, so you take the words of ONE mufti, and use it to make broad generalizations about Islam itself???


No. I saying why should we take your interpretation or your Muftis at face value. Anyone can pick an authority. The operative word is pick.



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09 Nov 2015, 5:35 pm

It isn't even really overconfidence. We don't have to know the koran better than those people in order to reject it. If I can compare three different translations of koranic verses into english to each other, I feel I have a reasonable degree of accuracy as to what the verse says, and from there I can judge its contents. What we don't have is your predetermined conclusion that this book is somehow divinely inspired wisdom, or in any way a good guide on how to lead a good life. It contains exactly what I would expect from a pseudohistorical collection of iron age folklore.

You, however, have to go through a series of rather impressive mental gymnastics wherein you don't read the text at face value, but rather think up things it could say instead and then leap immediately to that definitely being the most likely meaning above all others. It's a practice common in religious people, and really it's a form of denial. Christians do the same thing, especially with uncomfortable things in the old testament.

As for the finger-chopping, I think the verse was Koran 8:12

Also, being an american of turkish descent, am I correct in assuming that you also don't speak arabic?


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09 Nov 2015, 5:37 pm

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buddhists are all about peace my ass......

http://www.economist.com/news/asia/2165 ... and-driven


Who said they were?

Jain are probably the least violent as a religion.



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09 Nov 2015, 5:37 pm

Because the ijma, or CONSENSUS, of scholars, is that fighting is only in self defense..... the vast, vast majority of scholars agree that violence is only for self defense.... very few, like anjem choudary and abu baraa (mizanur rahman) say offensive war is allowed and isis and the like are legitimate...