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If the general election boiled down to Trump or Hillary, how would you vote?
Trump 30%  30%  [ 21 ]
Hillary 24%  24%  [ 17 ]
Write-in (Sanders) 24%  24%  [ 17 ]
Other (please explain) 14%  14%  [ 10 ]
I'm not voting 8%  8%  [ 6 ]
Total votes : 71

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24 Dec 2015, 3:21 pm

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I wish Americans would try to see the viewpoint of people who want a better life.


Me too



The thing is, plenty of us do, we always have, and we always will. Unfortunately, there is, was, and always will be a nativist element, championed by the likes of Donald Trump, Pat Buchanan, David Duke, and other bigoted demagogues who will always paint the newcomer as a dangerous stranger.


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24 Dec 2015, 9:36 pm

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All right. You have your views, and I have mine.

Mine are based on real-life contact with people, and with all manner of immigrants. They're not based on some ideology.

It's a fact: It's virtually impossible to become naturalized unless you marry a citizen, have a very specialized skill, get sponsored by your employer, or win the "green card lottery."

I think if even a green-card holder is convicted of a crime, the person should be deported.

I wish Americans would try to see the viewpoint of people who want a better life.

And don't start assuming I'm some "liberal" or something. I'm liberal in some things, conservative in others.

Mine is based on facts and stats not feelings


So virtually impossible that about 780,000 people did it in 2013 alone. Yep impossible.

http://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/ ... r_2013.pdf



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24 Dec 2015, 10:51 pm

Stats don't mean a thing in this instance. The reality is out there. Most People WANT to be legal. They don't want to keep hiding. They want to do their part for this country. You should meet them yourself.

I already know you won't be swayed. But I'm putting in my 2 cents, anyway. And the reasons behind those 2 cents.



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25 Dec 2015, 2:37 am

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After briefly visiting thepoliticalguide.com I can see that I agree with his desire to repeal Obamacare, since the simple fact is it (and many other current laws) are unconstitutional and reduce personal freedoms. I don't agree or disagree with his abortion policy so to speak. I am pro life, but I am also pro choice. In other words, I wouldn't want any of my family to have an abortion, but I don't think it's fair for me to make decisions for other people. Thus, I can get behind either choice and move on to what I consider slightly more relevant topics. Until, I see more't about const evidence of failure or wrong choices, it looks like I'm still a Cruz fan.


For me, Obamacare isn't about constitutional technicalities, or allegedly suppressing freedom, bu rather, it's a matter of getting people medical coverage that was previously beyond their reach.


I can certainly understand that esp for middle and lower class people who don't qualify for state assisted medical coverage but whose cheapskate bosses wont' carry medical insurance. But that topic won't likely get us far except with our hands tied, no solutions, and meeting with agreement on many aspects and disagreement on others. As for the candidacy, after watching the last rep debate finally, I find that Christie is proving to be the man! Trump made a slight comeback, but Christie doesn't hesitate or deter from the topic, answers quickly and thoughtfully and correctly. I feel Sanders is still the strongest dem candidate, and anyone voting for Hill is either ignorant of the facts, jaded by feminism, or just plain sick in the head. This is what I love about being independent, I can literally vote for whomever I want. I'm still fact gathering right now, but Christie has made it to the top of my list.

AND OMG I hate how frickin' slow this server is. WTF! Has it been around since the dawn of time!? and then the captchas accept but sometimes won't post the reply and I have to go back and retype if I forgot to copy/paste. There seems to be some kind of dang buffering thing that takes 5-10 seconds every 15 seconds or so...and it's only on this web site. That's stupid! OK, rant over. Let's see if I can get this stupid thing to post!! !



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25 Dec 2015, 8:58 am

God Help America



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25 Dec 2015, 9:22 am

I think Christie is kind of an ass, too. But he's a heck of a lot better than Trump!

At least the man has half a brain!



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25 Dec 2015, 10:00 am

Neocons don't have half a brain

Christie is a terrible terrible person, can't control the food he stuffs in his face but still believes in the war on drugs. That dumby thinks we should shoot down Russian jets over Syria and start WWIII, Christie should be in prison not running for president.



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25 Dec 2015, 12:34 pm

I must admit that I am somewhat surprised that Donald Trump - who publicly endorsed the long discredited autism-vaccine link - is getting any support at all on a website dedicated to individuals on the Autistic spectrum.

You'd think that would be a red flag if ever there was one...

Furthermore, here is a breakdown of views on the autism-vaccine link by demographics (please note that this poll pre-dates the statements made by Donald Trump in the September 16 debate on CNN - see below):

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Source: http://www.gallup.com/poll/181844/perce ... aign=tiles

Although the percentage of the population believing in the autism-vaccine link is somewhat small (less than 10 percent regardless of demographic breakdown, as demonstrated above) we find the largest share of "unsure" responses (64 percent) and the lowest share of correct responses (only 29 percent) among less-educated respondents, who are the key supporters of Donald Trump.

It is thus highly likely that Donald Trump's anti-vaccine statements - transmitted in the most watched CNN segment of all time to more than 23 million viewers - will give additional support to the anti-vaccine movement...

...and end up getting people - mostly small children - killed by easily preventable diseases, of course.

EDIT: Grammar and typos.



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25 Dec 2015, 1:26 pm

What do you expect given the choice? Hillary is an unacceptable candidate, Trump wins by default by not being a criminal. She has never once showed herself competent, she has no hope of governing, this is all about her vanity and personal ego. A real narcissist is someone who thinks they can actually win while being a party to pretty much every major crime imaginable. The status quo must be overthrown, who is the status quo universally against?



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25 Dec 2015, 5:53 pm

I am actually a registered Green Party voter, but I would temporarily switch to Democrat to vote for Sanders.



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25 Dec 2015, 7:21 pm

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I am actually a registered Green Party voter, but I would temporarily switch to Democrat to vote for Sanders.


Cool. 8)


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25 Dec 2015, 7:41 pm

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I think Christie is kind of an ass, too. But he's a heck of a lot better than Trump!

At least the man has half a brain!

Christie is a 2nd and 4th amendment hating cancer of a man.



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26 Dec 2015, 2:45 am

Clinton, Bush, and Obama are what created this mess.

Elect Trump, and greet him at the White House with torches and pitchforks.

We want an America that serves American interests.



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26 Dec 2015, 8:54 am

Jacoby wrote:
Neocons don't have half a brain

Christie is a terrible terrible person, can't control the food he stuffs in his face but still believes in the war on drugs. That dumby thinks we should shoot down Russian jets over Syria and start WWIII, Christie should be in prison not running for president.


This is why I typically stay away from politics. People try to "classify" each other, insult each other, refuse to work together for our country's common causes and are arguing and nitpicking over crud that doesn't matter or SHOULD be personal choice/freedom... and rarely have clues themselves or vote correctly. Seriously? Obama? I fought against people voting for that guy who I used to call Iraq Hussein Osama, but you can't get people to think clearly enough to vote well. (Try growing up in a law enforcement family...intel is very different than what most people are aware of). You can't stop WWIII. It is coming, my friend. I'm reminded of the phrases:
You can run but you can't hide.
You can't talk yourself out of this one.
Don't run, you'll only die tired.

...to name a few. Die hard partisan loyalty is a waste and gets us nowhere. You can never get everyone to see the big picture. Terrorism is running amok and spreading like wildfire, and you can bet your booty that you want someone in office who knows how to fight....not like Carson (seems VERY kind but too kind) who has butterflies coming out of his mouth every time he speaks. I'm going to get behind the big guns who have their dukes up and aren't going to panic if and when war does break out! ....a true "Commander in Chief" not just a diplomat. A good diplomat is highly important but secondary to homeland security, because there's nothing to talk about if our country is blown to smithereens.

As for food control....most overweight persons suffer from slight to moderate health issues esp diabetes and other metabolic issues. Sedentary lifestyle is also an issue and some people stay so busy they just rarely have time to exercise ....families to take care of, work, bill paying, school events for children and college students, etc. But we all have our flaws....so picking on someone else's flaws and ignoring the ones we have ourselves is nonsensical. Weight has absolutely no bearing on ability to lead. Also, 1/3 of our nations adults 20 years and over are overweight, so you have literally insulted 1/3 of the population and called them incompetent.

And if you think Russians our on our side, think again.

Still, I hope you do well and prosper. People should support people not insult, demean, and attempt to hurt them. That is a tactic that sociopaths prefer.

I will say I disagree with the war on drugs tactics currently displayed, but I always opt to support the person who has the most important causes underway. I prefer the Sanders approach on drug control, which is mostly that it is an addiction issue more than a criminal issue. But ol Bernie may be a bit too old to handle homeland security.



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26 Dec 2015, 10:22 am

So much for "Talk softly and carry a big stick"


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26 Dec 2015, 10:36 am

MDD123 wrote:
So much for "Talk softly and carry a big stick"


::giggle:: Aspies talking softly? Absurd I tell you! lol. All kidding aside, I thought most aspies were/are more direct than soft spoken (not to invoke the contrary idea of yelling). But I can get on board with the big stick :D