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They are very much comparable. Both are examples of people looking the other way and saying that'll never happen. Just because one is a far worse example does not mean they are not compareable. Most things are never going to be the same level, or compareable. He has the world means to talk about two different things and what they have in common. If they were the same then they be identical and no need to be compared.

I see a lot of Nazi Germany's repeating. So many people only caring about themselves and their wants, looking the other way to the attacks on other peopl as long as it don't effect them. It's quite scary. It's not just on gun rights but lots of things. People are becoming less and less concerned about other people.

This is not the point. You are comparing the horrendous suffering of my Jewish relatives, things I am not going to describe in much more detail, to ultimately political issue? Whatever merit your position holds, it is disgusting that you are attempting to draw comparisons that are so different in magnitude and so ignorant of whatever experiences they had. It is equivalent to spitting at the face of my family to even remotely contrast these two matters together.

This discussion is over.

Is gay rights a political issue?
Women's rights?
Black rights?
Free speech?
When does a right and freedom cease being e right and become s political issue to you?
To me gun rights isn't s political issue its s civil right Issue, it's dear to me and will lead to deaths of millions of Americans on both sides. I'm super afraid every day and live in stress. It's been this way for the past 3 years. If you can't see comparisons between suffering of one group and suffering of another group then I don't know what to say to you. So if in 10 years 50 million gun owners are killed will you care then? Well I don't care. Waiting for something bad to happen before you care is stupid. I'm done supporting other civil right issues. It's all for one or none for all. If they won't support me why should I support them. People not standing up for each other is how holocaust happen. If Germans had said no, that's my neighbors my friend, my doctor, my teacher it'd never happen, they said I'm not ____ so who cares.

Just as I see so many people say I'm not s gun owner so who cares what happens to them. So why should I care about gay rights, women's rights, etc. I so sick of people turning on each other and I can't help but think back to what that Jewish vet said each time he was there, Remeber and never again, he didn't just mean for if its against Jews, but against any group of people. Gun owners are under attack. We are the only group it's ok to hate and many do hate us. They call us slurs, threaten to kill us, they threaten to round us up in camps, to come to our houses and take our stuff or kill us if we resist. I'd rather not wait til it's too late and stand up now, that guy made sure I'd Remeber. He told us storiesm shows us thousands and thousands of pictures. Nothing was hidden. He wanted people to feel what it was like to be there.

So I may not have had family there, mine fled Germany. I dont know if there were Jewish but they got out of that he'll hold.even if they became s horrible family. I don't like how you seem to applie only Jews can know that suffering and talk about it. The holocaust was a human thing. Disabled people were rounded up and killed, all kinds of people were.

Sorry if you feel offended, but I can't help but see history starting to repeat its self if this continues and it scares me a lot,so I don't want to let that happen, especially as I'm a member of the hated group,.
Also find it odd you find this offensive but comparing trump to hitter and republicans to nazis isn't

Do you know what's it like to have a group of politicians and news and mass amounts of people prosecute your group and you because your different then them? Gun owners are under attack daily, not a day goes by when we are free from such attacks.

It feels like a noose that's being slowly closed around my neck, I'm tire of living in fear that tomorrow will be the day it happens.
People aren't suppose to live constantly in fear and under attack .

I'm done with with this. Bernie is anti gun, I'll never vote for a anti gun person. Final!! !! !! !

My vote doesn't matter anwyas so I may not vote this year. My star is a democrat state so even if 90% of the state cord for trump the elector votes would go to Hilary.

Look, I will make an exception and one last response even though I wanted to end this matter completely.

My relatives were killed because they were different ethnically. Gun owners choose to be gun owners, but people of different heritage cannot change the fact that they are of different heritage. Gun owners can have their weapons taken away, but they will still remain alive and be free.

My relatives were killed for being different in concentration camps and they lost their lives altogether, not to mention the tremendous suffering they have underwent. One of my relatives was forced to eat rodents because there was not enough rations for him to live on. He was forced to undergo so much pain and suffering because he was Jewish and a Pole. Saying that gun owner will be rounded up to concentration camps and treated in a like manner is such a ludicrous notion, that it would literally be an insult to human dignity if given even a moment's oxygen.

It really felt like a punch to the gut for me when you drew these comparisons and hyperbole, even after I supported you and wished you well in your life goals. I just feel betrayed and upset, and that is all I wish to say to you.

I understand we are both men with Asperger's, but what you did was utterly callous and unacceptable.

Hey Sly,

Remember when I said it was always the people on the right and libertarians who bring the whole gun ban thing? This is what I was talking about. This conversation had no mention of guns until you brought it up. You are just wrong on this one. There is not going to be a gun ban in this country. It's been explained to you many times why but your fear won't let you let this go. You are being lied to. And if you really feel that your guns are the most important thing for you to live comfortably, then I feel sorry for you.

Hillary and Bernie neck and neck in national polls now at 44% to 42%, Hillary is completely unraveling. Sanders has to seize the moment, he has to score the coup de grace on Hillary. If numbers start moving in South Carolina then it's over for Hillary, that's her firewall.

So you think people should be allowed gun ownership with no regulations or limitations whatsoever? I still doubt he actually wants to ban the most common guns and is pushing for anything terribly unreasonable, but I will look more into it I guess so I have a reference for where you are getting all this. Also though Bernie is for the people, I doubt he'd oppose the people to ban guns if anything he probably isn't straying too far from the general democrat ideas about guns, because he is trying to get the nomination...doesn't mean he's going to even focus legal action or policy that way.

Also I like the higher wages for working people so full time workers aren't in poverty, ending private for profit prisons, and reevaluating the drug classification of marijuana and addressing the long running failure known as the war on drugs and keeping religious morality out of legislation. At best if bernie is oh so anti-gun that might be the only thing I'd disagree with him on vs disagreeing with just about everything the republican party wants.

If you want a government for the wealthy elite and by the wealthy elite vote republican....vote Bernie and we get government for the people, which means better chance at keeping your guns and/or voting to re-loosen gun laws and your other freedoms/rights as well as any social safety network programs you benefit from.

I will have to agree with this. Also as a technicality the second amendment is the right to bear arms...it says nothing about which arms we have the right to bear or that there cannot be limitations/regulations. Either way there isn't going to be a national gun ban and its not like once a new gun law is passed its set in stone forever legislation can be changed and voters can even influence it.

I explained I'd support neither because of them being anti gun, the people like berries not anti gun. That's how this got started.

Also it's been explained to you many times there will be if things keep going how they are, which is slowly chipping away at the 2nd amendment.

Do you feel sorry for people who abortion is the most important thing to, or weed, or any other right?

Sh ally not be infringed. Telling us what guns we can have and what guns we can't is infringing. It's not rocket science.

If they said you have free speech only at these locations and no where else, and you can't talk about things the government does, would you still have free speech?

In my state they specifically say voters can't change this. Because they know we'd put it to s population vote. There's no such population approval vote for federal gun laws. You can vote another person in as senator and hope they change it, which is a long shot . Or you can sue the state but the supreme cour won't hear any gun issues anymore.
Once a law is passed and signed I. This messed up system it's not going anywhere. Look the republicans have the majority their single goal was to remove Obama care. They can't no matter how hard they try.

Only chance is to prevent laws from being passed.

Hillary came out against legalization of marijuana but I'd still vote for her over the Republicans because that is not the only issue. And if someone prioritized those things over access to food and shelter than yes I do feel sorry for them. You did say you'd rather be homeless then lose your guns right?

I asked you for the source of your news. I want to understand where you are getting your information from. The only group of people that I can think of who believe the government is trying to ban guns is the Alex Jones infowars crowd. I can tell you having listened to Alex Jones's radio show that he is not a credible source of news.

We regulate speech in this country. You can't yell fire in a crowded theater without getting arrested for inciting a riot. Since we can and do regulate speech in this country then we can certainly put reasonable regulations on guns.

Do you all not watch the democrat debates, speeches, obama's speeches, town halls etc?
My sources are Washington post, hufftton post, cnn, White House site, abc news, nbc news. All left biased sites who post these articles out of pride and support the gun control agenda. I have no reason to seek pro gun sites, the anti gun side doesn't hide their agenda they're extremely loud and proud about it.

There's a way out of homelessness , there's s chance. And it's unlikely welfare wil be got rid of. So yes I choose the slight chance I'd be homeless over the 90% chance I'll lose my gun right. It's a guarantee if either Hillary or Bernie is elected their keep going after gun control. Heck trump. I gut go after gun control, he might very well be anti gun, he's not pro gun, but it's a chance and I'll take a chance over the hell of the last 8 years continuing by obama's 2.0.

look you'll in a. Urging building on the 6th floor. You can burn to death or jump. Sure you might die, but there's a chance you'll live, of you stay you 100% going die. So you jump because a chance is better then no chance.

Do you honestly think Bernie (who isn't going be choose over Hilary by the way) will get any of the things he wants done in a republican controlled congress? Not a chance. So he'll do what we he can by presidential orders like King Obama. But he can't change the taxe code without the house, he can't do a lot of the stuff he wants that way. He can continue obama's attack on guns that way.

Why not just let people vot for who they want?

I know there's no way I'm going persuade any of you antis to vot trump, so why try to persuade me to vote for people who hate me and would only do harm to be via their gun control orders. Never going happen. If the republicans were running a mouse I'd sooner vote for it to be president then any democrat.
Or was this thread on,y for Bernie supporters and not ok for people of different opinions to state theirs?

Honestly if they'd just said ok, your choice and moved on, this thread never became about guns.

Sly,

Wow your information is horribly flawed. You see, I see all those same sources and I don't see any of the things you claim. What I do see is Alex Jones using out of context clips and sound bytes to bolster his fear mongering message. I wholeheartedly believe there is a bigger threat to your access to ssi than losing your guns.

No one said you couldn't state your opinion. I just said your wrong. What am I not supposed to express my disagreement? Look vote for whoever you want, but keep in mind if you make a post here people are going to inevitably disagree.

I check google every day for "gun control " in news. I don't watch nor have I ever watched Alex jones.mwhat your doing is trying to hide things democrats say by labeling me as s crazy who watches Alex jones. I'm well aware of your side static of if you can't beat them then slander them.

Lol omg. Obama is taking my gun as we speak, there a slight chance that years from now trump might take away ssi. Something happening now takes more importance then something that might happen years from now that in all likely hood is just leftist fear mongerling to scare people to vote for them. Like the whol war on women, if you elect Romely, he's going make women into kitchen slaves again that happen in 2012. I'm not buying into it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hil ... 6a900c5d67

You going tell me she didn't say that?


"President Obama has cited the country’s gun laws as a model for the United States, calling Australia a nation “like ours.” On the campaign trail, Hillary Clinton has said the Australian approach is “worth considering.” The National Rifle Association has dismissed the policies, contending that they “robbed Australians of their right to self-defense and empowered criminals” without reducing violent crime." source new yorkmtimes

"If I could’ve gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them — Mr. and Mrs. America turn ’em all in — I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren’t here."
senator Feinstein

“I don’t believe people should to be able to own guns.”
Barack Obama

All of them are on video saying these things. You can't deny it or tell people it's not true. You can't erase the proof of these words coming straight from their own mouths on live tv.
And these are just a few .

You are the one who is wrong. But I don't e pact much from you as you blindly follow and repeat whatever the left tells you to.

I'm a free thinking, I'm not biased to any party I'm not indocuated to their agenda. I've watched since I turned 22 every anti gun law they tried to pass or passed. I've watched them talk, meet, discuss. Do you watch senate committee meetings? Do you read the news every day looking for any mention of gun control?

I bet you sit and live your life and take whatever the Dems say on cnn or email you as the truth and never question it. Why would you you aren't being attacked you have nothing to lose. I and millions others have everything to lose so we pay attention. When they say stuff we hear it. It doesn't go unheard, it's not ignored, we are tired of their crap. We just want to be left alone. Why is gun control so important to you? How much could the left accomplished to help people if they just shut thenfuck up about guns, the right would be more likely to work with them, they'd get way more votes. Gun contro, is a dead issue. Most Americans are not for banning any guns at all.most they support is background checks but that is a deceiver too because the laws proposed go way beyond just requiring s background check when you sell a gun. That's why so many people opposed it and it didn't pass.

The nex president is going be s republican deal with it. 8 years of demcrats and people are tired of their s**t. 8 years of republican and the next will be democrat. The office has switched parties every 8 years for a while now. It's your turn to be scared and worried. Prepare your dooms day is coming and you all did it to yourself. 8 years of gun control pushes. Didn't you all take losing the senate as a sign of things to come? I'd thought they'd change their way try to win the people back but nope. Just kept digging the hole deeper.